American Electric Power Company, Inc.
Q3 2018 Earnings Call Transcript

Published: 25 Oct 2018

[Operator:]

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the American Electric Power Third Quarter 2018 Earnings Call. At this time, all lines are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. Instructions will be given to you at that time. And as a reminder, today's conference call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Bette Jo Rozsa. Please go ahead.

[Bette Jo Rozsa:]

Thank you, Cynthia. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the third quarter 2018 earnings call for American Electric Power. Thank you for taking the time to join us today. Our earnings release, presentation slides, and related financial information are available on our website at aep.com. Today, we will be making forward-looking statements during the call. There are many factors that may cause future results to differ materially from these statements. Please refer to our SEC filings for a discussion of these factors. Our presentation also includes references to non-GAAP financial information. Please refer to the reconciliation of the applicable GAAP measures provided in the appendix of today's presentation. Joining me this morning for opening remarks are Nick Akins, our Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Brian Tierney, our Chief Financial Officer. We will take your questions following their remarks. I will now turn the call over to Nick.

[Nicholas K. Akins:]

Okay. Thanks, Bette Jo. Good morning, everyone, and welcome again to AEP's third quarter 2018 earnings call. We just completed another financially strong quarter given positive weather results, continued economic growth, albeit moderated in most sectors of the economy, and continued resolution of regulatory related matters. The headlines for this quarter are not only that our board decided to raise the quarterly dividend by 8.1% to $0.67 a share earlier this week, we're also adjusting our 2018 guidance range upward from $3.75 to $3.95 per share to $3.88 to $3.98 per share. The economy in our service territory continues to grow mainly in oil and gas-related industries, with others such as chemical industries, primary metals, et cetera, are tempering because of tariffs and a strengthening U.S. dollar. Brian will cover that in more detail, but overall, AEP continues to deliver on its commitment of providing steady, consistent dividend growth commensurate with the long-term earnings growth expectation of 5% to 7%. As for the specifics for the quarter and the year-to-date, GAAP and operating earnings for third quarter 2018 came in at $1.17 per share and $1.26 per share, respectively, versus third quarter 2017 GAAP and operating earnings of $1.11 and $1.10 per share, respectively. This brings 2018 year-to-date GAAP and operating earnings to $3.17 per share and $3.23 per share, respectively, versus 2017 GAAP, and operating earnings of $3.07 per share and $2.82 per share, respectively. The difference between GAAP and operating for the quarter and for year-to-date 2018 are primarily due to an impairment taken related to the Racine Hydroelectric Plant, severance charges taken in response to announced plant closures, and economic hedging activities. This has been another very positive quarter financially and operationally that should bode well for ending the year in a positive fashion. Because of our belief that we are and continue to be on a firm 5% to 7% earnings trajectory buoyed by a strong base plan into the future, our board was very comfortable increasing the dividend by 8.1%, well within our 60% to 70% targeted payout ratio. Moving to the regulatory activity, at this point, the notable rate case activity really includes Oklahoma and APCo West Virginia. In late September, we filed another base case in Oklahoma at PSO, our third try to correct the chronic under earning situation in Oklahoma. This case has a requested net increase of $68 million with an ROE of 10.3%. We have proposed a performance-based rate mechanism that adjusts for certain customer satisfaction and quality of service metrics with the intent of reducing the regulatory lag while ensuring a positive customer experience. The proposed procedural schedule has now been set that provides for interim rates subject to refund going into effect in April of 2019. We are certainly hoping for a better outcome based upon the operational performance of PSO over the years, a financially healthy PSO would be well deserved. Regarding the West Virginia case that was filed back in early May, we received staff and other intervener testimony that while disappointing regarding adjustments such as a lower ROE, exclusion of certain known reasonable expenses after the test year and lower depreciation rates, we still believe there is an opportunity to enter into constructive settlement discussions to achieve a more reasonable outcome. Procedural schedules have been set in this case with an expected order in late February, with rates going into effect in March 2019. So now, I'll move to the equalizer chart. I'm going to hold off on a discussion of the premier regulated energy company until a little bit later. But as we look at the equalizer chart, I call it that because it sort of looks like it with the balls of different sizes of the companies, overall, we're seeing a 10.1% ROE. We generally project the ROE for our regulated segments combined to be at or near the 10% range. Given our geographic diversity, some companies will be up and others down. But as we have demonstrated by our historical performance, we're generally in that 9.5% to 10% range. We currently have six rate cases either recently completed or in process, and I talked about a couple of those that are in process, which will help some of the underperforming companies. I'll remind you, the ROEs are not weather normalized, so generally, across these companies, weather benefited the results. It's interesting to note though, when you look at the size of the bubbles and how they're changing with the passage of time, our Transco is now the second largest operating utility of AEP. And as you look at the diversity of the service territory, these balls are becoming more or less the same size. Six of them in the various jurisdictions are approximately the same size, so it bodes well for the diversity of the area. And then, as well, as sort of separated out APCo into West Virginia, Virginia. So, if you look at the jurisdictions, with the exception of PSO in Kentucky, they're around that $2.1 billion, $2.2 billion of average equity. So really, a good diverse footprint. But obviously, AEP Transco continues to grow considerably, and we'll be talking more about that at EEI as well. Regarding AEP Ohio, same thing we talked about last time. You have a green bubble and a gray bubble. And actually, the gray one is the one to really look at here. The green includes some global settlement items such as the RSR payments, the fuel, the PIR, and the 2014 SEET refund. So, it shows a return on equity of 14.1%. But the actual ROE for AEP Ohio is 12.5%. So, most of these legacy items will roll off by the end of the year with a small portion going into next year. APCo, the ROE for APCo at the end of third quarter was 9.9%. APCo's improvement ROE over second quarter of 2018 is primarily attributable to weather. APCo West Virginia, as I mentioned earlier, we filed a rate case there. And in Virginia, we still have the tri-annual rate reviews, and APCo's Virginia first tri-annual review will be in 2020, and will cover the 2017 to 2019 period. So, continuing to make progress with that. Kentucky, the ROE for Kentucky is continuing to grow. It's up to 9.2%. The January 2018 rate case is complete, helping drive the turnaround of the ROE. The change in rates during the year, along with better than expected weather, contributed to that as well. And also, the economic development activity, we had a two-prong approach. Obviously, the rate-making aspects in Kentucky, but the second part was associated with economic development. And we continue to do very well in terms of having construction jobs, permanent jobs being created in our service territory in that region. It's called our Appalachian Sky process, but it continues to advance. Obviously, it helps when the denominator grows as well from a kilowatt-hour perspective. I&M achieved an ROE of 12% at the end of third quarter 2018, and it continues to perform well in 2018, primarily driven by strong sales in all segments, favorable weather, disciplined OEM spending, and favorable one-time true-ups associated with the regulatory items. I&M is continuing its capital investment program in the nuclear distribution and transmission business units, with positive regulatory structures in place for all programs. So, really doing well from an I&M perspective. PSO, I talked earlier about PSO, it's now at 7.7% versus 6.5% at the end of second quarter. So weather is really reflected in there. We still have the considerable regulatory lag. And also, as you know, we filed an application for rate-making there in Oklahoma. So, more to come on that. SWEPCO, the ROE for SWEPCO at the end of third quarter was 7.4%, and the primary reason for the increase in ROE, which was at 6.8%, is weather. And the results also reflect a full quarter of rate relief implemented last year in May in our Louisiana and Texas jurisdictions, and also the 88 megawatts of Turk that was originally attributable to Arkansas is the issue around the ROE for SWEPCO. So, we'll continue to monitor that situation. AEP Texas, the ROE for AEP Texas at the end of third quarter 2018 was 8.8% versus 9.5% at the end of the second quarter. And while earnings have grown year-over-year, the reason for the declining ROE is primarily due to the timing of not only the annual filings that we make relative to capital investments, but also we have a lot of intensive capital investments going on in that territory. So, lag has become somewhat of a factor there, but we fully intend on catching up with the construction activity out there. AEP Transmission Holdco. The ROE for AEP Transmission at the end of third quarter was 10.4%, and that obviously reflects the ROE being lower mainly due to the reclassification of certain Transmission assets in July and August. And in addition, the East Transco's equity percentage of total capital is higher than filed (00

[Brian X. Tierney:]

Thank you, Nick, and good morning, everyone. I will take us through the third quarter and year-to-date financial results, provide some insight on loading the (00

[Operator:]

Thank you. And our first question will come from the line of Stephen Byrd with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.

[Stephen Calder Byrd:]

Good morning, and thanks for taking my questions.

[Nicholas K. Akins:]

Good morning, Stephen.

[Stephen Calder Byrd:]

So, Nick, I love the Chaka Khan reference. And I'm going to throw...

[Nicholas K. Akins:]

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[Stephen Calder Byrd:]

...another reference out there from Chaka Khan, Tell Me Something Good.

[Nicholas K. Akins:]

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[Stephen Calder Byrd:]

So, I guess, the wind investment opportunity in your geographies appear to be very good. And I was just curious at a high level, sort of how should we think about the evolution of the potential for additional wind opportunities that might be smaller than Wind Catcher but still very large? What kind of steps or what kind of cadence should we think about in terms of incremental wind opportunities?

[Nicholas K. Akins:]

Yeah. So, actually, that's probably one of the lessons learned from Wind Catcher, being so intensive and the transmission being pretty intensive as well. We're looking at obviously, smaller segments, smaller wind farms with smaller transmission, multiple areas. We've already started that process. We're also, in parallel with that, doing – really refocusing our integration resource plans and evolve into various jurisdictions that support that approach. Most of it, you're going to find – we'll show more about that at EEI. But basically, it's showing renewables. But we also have to be mindful of the political situation and – in each of our state jurisdictions and the resources that they're looking for. So, you're going to see resource plans that develop around wind resources, solar resources, perhaps some storage, but also some natural gas. So you'll continue to see that kind of development. And as I said, it will be smaller capacity segments focused on various jurisdictions. And we've already started that process.

[Stephen Calder Byrd:]

That's great. That makes sense. And then just switching over to transmission, just want to make sure I was clear. Given the FERC announcement last week, I guess I didn't see any significant impacts to you all from the FERC activity on transmission, but just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing a nuance or how you all thought about that.

[Nicholas K. Akins:]

No. You're not missing anything. The settlement that was done in the east is pretty consistent with the range that came out of those cases. And I really believe even, there's some discussion of incentives. Incentives are being dealt with the same fashion. The only one we get is the RTO incentive. So, I really believe that discussion, while still initial, I still think it will be supportive of transmission investments. So, we see no change.

[Stephen Calder Byrd:]

That's awesome. That's all I have. Thank you.

[Nicholas K. Akins:]

Okay.

[Operator:]

Thank you. Our next question will come from the line of Praful Mehta with Citigroup. Your line is open.

[Nicholas K. Akins:]

Good morning, Praful.

[Praful Mehta:]

Hi, guys. Morning. Thanks so much for taking my question. So, I guess, maybe we start with the transmission side and CapEx on the transmission side. Given the support that you probably get with the ROEs, and clearly, there has been some change on the leadership at FERC side, but just wanted to understand what do you see in terms of the opportunity set on the transmission side. You've clearly had a huge impact on that opportunity, but is there incremental opportunity you see there and how do you see that progressing?

[Nicholas K. Akins:]

Well, certainly, transmission – I mean, we're already tracking over $3 billion a year in capital investment in transmission. And certainly, with Transource and other opportunities out there, you may see other projects come into play that are incremental. But obviously, we want to be very mindful of where we're investing. We have plant retirements that are occurring, they will encourage more transmission investment. So, we're going to continue to push the organization, the Transmission organization to do as much as we possibly can around capital deployment. So, there's always opportunities. And also, it has to be in the context of – the distribution side is growing as well. And certainly, we want to make sure that we're doing the right thing there, too. But as far as transmission is concerned, as I said, really no end in sight in terms of our ability to invest in transmission. And actually, the reasons for transmission investment continue to change all the time. We're seeing further retirements. Obviously, some of those are ours. But also, with – I think there's no doubt, even when you think about the climate change aspects, the ESG activity, all those types of things that are occurring is going to continue to push for clean energy resources, and that means transmission as well. We have a lot of resources that are attached and that we enable through transmission, and that will continue to grow. So we'll have more discussion on that at EEI as well.

[Praful Mehta:]

Got you. That's great color, and we'd love to hear a little bit more in terms of how to quantify that opportunity set as well at EEI, I'm sure. So, we'll come to that. And then, I guess, secondly, in terms of contracted renewables, just wanted to get a sense for how that is going. You're seeing a number of players continue to invest in renewables. The returns probably continue to get competitive. Where do you see that opportunity set on the unregulated renewable investment side?

[Nicholas K. Akins:]

Yes. So we look at that a little differently than others perhaps because we are accentuated by transmission and because – largest transmission by far, that's where a lot of our investment goes, but also the regulated operating companies continue to grow as well. We can afford to be very selective about these projects. There's a lot of projects out there. Some of them have shorter duration, 5, 10 years. That's not what we're really interested in. When we look at our tenure of these contracts, we're looking for long-term contracts with creditworthy counterparties, particularly utilities, which we've done across the country. We're in 32 states now. And also, the actual development and construction risk versus financial risk, we're mostly in the financial risk category at this point in time, and that's pretty meaningful in terms of mitigation risk. So, I would say, we're fully prepared to go as deep as we want to go in that, but we don't have a requirement to be out there everywhere trying to soak up every deal regardless of what it may mean from a risk profile perspective. So, Chuck, is – I think, is it $750 million of the $1 billion that we had allocated before? And we'll have more on that at EEI as well.

[Praful Mehta:]

All right. Great. Really appreciate it, guys. Thanks so much.

[Operator:]

Thank you. Our next question will come from the line of Steve Fleishman with Wolfe Research. Your line is open.

[Nicholas K. Akins:]

Good morning, Steve.

[Steve Fleishman:]

Hey. Good morning. Still getting over the Chaka Khan.

[Nicholas K. Akins:]

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[Steve Fleishman:]

Yeah. Okay. The Ohio tax order yesterday seemed to be relatively flexible. Just – I think you had already resolved, but could you just give any thoughts on your color on that?

[Brian X. Tierney:]

Yeah. It's very much in line with what we had anticipated. So, like so many of the other orders – and we have some detail on this in the appendix of the release – it's going very smoothly wherever we've had these occasions. And the range of flowbacks that we have, have also been very reasonable. When we talked to you early in the year, we kind of assumed flowbacks happening very quickly. But I think just about everywhere we've been, the range is 2 to like 18 years, with most of it being in the 10- to 15-year range. It's been very – and people are being reasonable and Ohio's order was just another instance of that.

[Steve Fleishman:]

Okay. And then just in terms of the EEI disclosures on the CapEx and the financing plan, that will be out for the kind of four- to five-year period, not just for 2019, right?

[Brian X. Tierney:]

The CapEx plan will be out for five years, and I think the financing plan, we're going to go out three.

[Steve Fleishman:]

Okay. And then just on the dividend, which was great, just in terms of from here, we should probably assume that now that you're at the midpoint of your payout range, you'll kind of grow it in line with earnings growth from here.

[Brian X. Tierney:]

Yeah, that's correct.

[Steve Fleishman:]

Okay. Great. Thank you.

[Brian X. Tierney:]

Yeah.

[Operator:]

Thank you. Our next question will come from the line of Jonathan Arnold with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.

[Jonathan Philip Arnold:]

Good morning, guys.

[Nicholas K. Akins:]

Good morning, Jonathan.

[Jonathan Philip Arnold:]

Yeah, Nick. Well, Nick, I'm recovering from learning that I'm one of the only people on my team that knows what a 45 is.

[Nicholas K. Akins:]

Yeah, yeah. I know.

[Jonathan Philip Arnold:]

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[Nicholas K. Akins:]

No, you'll see more clarity soon. And I just want to make clear to you that we already have resource plans filed in the jurisdictions that have renewables in them. I think you're going to see more definition and more focus around what the alternatives are, and also being respectful to what the individual states want to see. Those will start coming out as early as December, and then they'll continue to flow out during 2019. So, you're going to see several first passes here probably within the first quarter of 2019 and toward the end of this year.

[Jonathan Philip Arnold:]

Can you give us a sense of where you'll start in terms of – was there an order to how these are teed up from a regulatory schedule standpoint?

[Nicholas K. Akins:]

Yeah. Each day is different, but I think the first one to come up is...

[Brian X. Tierney:]

Arkansas.

[Nicholas K. Akins:]

...Arkansas and then Louisiana. And obviously, they were supportive of Wind Catcher, so there's some real opportunity there to really fashion it to what they're looking for. But each one is different from a scheduling perspective, and each one of them have different views of what resources are applied. And so, we're going to have to make sure that it's mapped toward that.

[Jonathan Philip Arnold:]

Okay. But we're not talking about a sort of IRP do-over type thing (00

[Nicholas K. Akins:]

No, no, no. I think it's more of a more refinement, but also there's things we know today that we didn't know even before Wind Catcher. And certainly, gas forecast will change and those types of things, and the way we present things is likely to change as well to where we're being much more of a partner with our commissions and the states in terms of what they're looking for.

[Jonathan Philip Arnold:]

Okay, great. Thank you.

[Nicholas K. Akins:]

Yeah.

[Operator:]

Thank you. Our next question will come from the line of Julien Dumoulin-Smith with Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open.

[Nicholas K. Akins:]

Good morning, Julien.

[Julien Dumoulin-Smith:]

Hey, good morning. Can you hear me?

[Nicholas K. Akins:]

Yeah, I hear you fine.

[Julien Dumoulin-Smith:]

Excellent. Hey, thank you. So I wanted to go back a little bit to some of the updates expected here at EEI as you think about CapEx and kind of reconcile that with the cash flows. Obviously, you've had a few updates through the course of the year. Can you give us a little bit of a sense or maybe a little bit of a preview on how you're thinking about cash flows given some of the updates year-to-date on tax reform and some of the excess – refunds, if you think about that? I know you have a little table there and even in the latest deck here.

[Brian X. Tierney:]

Yeah, Julien. So we showed at last year's EEI for 2020 meeting, an incremental about $400 million in equity over the dividend reinvestment program. If we were to show another year, I'd anticipate showing another need just like that in 2021.

[Julien Dumoulin-Smith:]

Got it. Okay. And that is inclusive of the latest tax reform refunds, et cetera, that you've been able to secure for this year, right?

[Brian X. Tierney:]

That's correct.

[Julien Dumoulin-Smith:]

Got it. Okay. Excellent. Then secondly, turning over to Oklahoma here, obviously, you filed a PSO case and you've talked a little bit about some of the levers you might have over time as you think about that situation and your ownership or not. Is there a potential where you split it apart, Transmission versus Distribution, when you think about ownership and the different jurisdictions here? I mean, maybe can you talk a little bit to the jurisdictional issues, too, just as you think about your desire to be involved in Oklahoma?

[Nicholas K. Akins:]

Yeah. So, well, first of all, I certainly am looking toward a positive outcome in Oklahoma. I think there's some confusion. We have the Oklahoma Transco and certainly PSO, they're two separate utilities. But, at the same time, I think it'd be somewhat difficult to think of them independently because certainly, PSO and Transco is – Transco is new transmission, but it's transmission that's within the PSO customer side of things, and it's not all that way. And I think there's a lot of confusion even from maybe the commission perspective and others from what I've read from the investment analysts' reports. The Transco at PSO, it is an Oklahoma Transco, but it invests in transmission based on what SPP requirements are and in terms of what the customer load requirements are for PSO. Only the cost in the Transco that go to Oklahoma customers are actually ascribed to Oklahoma customers. And there's this view that we can short change PSO because we get higher ROEs in the Oklahoma Transco. Well, that is really very, very small. I mean, if you were to take the Oklahoma Transco along with PSO and look at the rate structures associated with that, the impact of the Transco is really only like 28 basis points. So – and I think some people think that we can have 6.5% ROE at PSO, and we're getting 10.5% to 11% in Transco that, okay, that's fine overall, but it's not because the rate base is much bigger from a PSO perspective and only incremental transmission is in the Transco. And when you account for that, it's not like we're taking earnings and soften them off to the corporate parent. It's that the investment made in the Transco in earnest of (00

[Julien Dumoulin-Smith:]

Got it.

[Nicholas K. Akins:]

Yeah.

[Julien Dumoulin-Smith:]

Actually...

[Nicholas K. Akins:]

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[Julien Dumoulin-Smith:]

Indeed. Quick follow-up on the renewables piece just real quickly. How do you see the approval process and demonstration of need for the RFP filing in Ohio? Specifically, how do you think about this given potential changes in PUCO and the wider gubernatorial change?

[Nicholas K. Akins:]

Yeah. So, I would suspect – we're following what the framework has been set up to get these approvals for the renewables. And certainly, a change in administration could have an impact, but I think the path is already set. It really is up to the Commission now. We've gone out for bid, we've done what we need to do, and that's at least for 400 megawatts. There's still 500 megawatts to go, and that's probably wind-related resources. So, we still have an opportunity to continue to progress along that path. And I don't really see an impact in terms of – or a change in the thought process of the Commission itself. But we've got credible projects out there. We presented a filing that did not have us participating in those two projects of BPA, but given the use of our balance sheet, certainly, there was a factor that we applied to it that included provisions from our financial perspective to ensure that we remain neutral from a capital structure standpoint. So – and we made that decision and we'll make that decision on any future PPAs. And whether we're actually investing or not investing, I think that goes to – it goes to the capital discipline that we have of our threshold of returns and risk associated with any capital investment we make. So, I think we manage it pretty well from that perspective. So, we'll wait and see what the Commission thinks about the two that have been filed.

[Julien Dumoulin-Smith:]

Excellent. Thank you very much.

[Nicholas K. Akins:]

Yeah.

[Operator:]

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Greg Gordon with Evercore ISI. Your line is open.

[Nicholas K. Akins:]

Good morning, Greg.

[Greg Gordon:]

Thanks. Good morning. You're in my era with Chaka Khan, for sure.

[Nicholas K. Akins:]

Yeah.

[Greg Gordon:]

And so...

[Nicholas K. Akins:]

Unfortunately, we're all in the same era or just about.

[Greg Gordon:]

Yeah. Well, they don't make any good music anymore, do they?

[Nicholas K. Akins:]

Yeah. No, they don't.

[Greg Gordon:]

Not as good as the old days. But the question on the dividend that Steve asked, I just want to be clear because I had asked this question of you guys maybe a year or two ago. You've moved your balance sheet into a really pristine position. And you've indicated to Steve that sort of this 8% move was not indicative of a desire to consistently grow the dividend a nudge ahead of the earnings guidance. So, as you think about that, is it one and done for any good reason other than – or, I mean, could you theoretically...

[Nicholas K. Akins:]

Yeah.

[Greg Gordon:]

...continue to grow it at 8% and be in a strong balance sheet position, or is the cash flow profile, as you move out three, four, five years, in a place where you sort of meet at a place where you really would be penny-wise, pound-foolish to nudge ahead of the earnings growth?

[Nicholas K. Akins:]

Yeah. I wouldn't – well, I would say it a little differently. I mean, obviously, we've been consistent about the message that our dividends grow commensurate with our earnings. And I think we got – and we really also feel very strongly that a regulated utility should be in a healthy range within that 60% to 70%. And it started to wag a little bit, and we really felt like some of it was catch-up but also, some of it was confidence. And I think as the board looks at the dividend policy in the future, we're going to continue to focus on what the earnings profile of the company looks like going forward, and we'll be very transparent about that at EEI, and give you some sense of where the dividend will go as well.

[Brian X. Tierney:]

Greg, we had previously announced guidance for 2019 for operating earnings of $4 to $4.20 per share. And that move that the board made earlier this week puts our dividend payout ratio squarely in the middle of what we previously announced of 60% to 70%, and the move that they made puts it exactly at 65%. And I think as Nick said, that's just the board in expressing its confidence in our ability to grow earnings over time.

[Greg Gordon:]

So, I get that, guys. I guess what I'm asking is a little bit more nuanced perhaps in that given how strong the balance sheet is and how good you've been in terms of being stewards of that balance sheet.

[Nicholas K. Akins:]

Yeah.

[Greg Gordon:]

If you continue to raise it a notch faster than the midpoint of your earnings growth target, you might be at the higher end of the payout ratio target in several years, but you'd still be comfortably in your credit metric profile. So, is that outside of the realm of possible?

[Nicholas K. Akins:]

I think our policy has been from a board perspective, and this comes from the board obviously, that we'll grow commensurate with earnings. Now, okay, so – and you also have to look at the use of capital. We have plenty of places to put capital, and I think there's probably going to be more definition around that because Brian has just mentioned that we'll be showing five years of capital going forward. That will give you some insight in terms of what the earnings capability of the company is going forward. And then you can take from that earnings where the dividend policy will be.

[Greg Gordon:]

Great. Okay. And one last question, and perhaps you'll (00

[Nicholas K. Akins:]

Yeah. Actually, I think we get – as far as coal-fired generation, we're in the 30-something-percent range. We've already gone from 65% to I think it's 51%, and it's going to go even further because we've already announced closures of Oklaunion and Conesville. And as you move forward, you're going to see continued activity in that regard, but also, at the same time, our fleet itself is continuing to grow from a clean energy perspective that's added on to it as well. So, that's really what we're looking at in the future. So, as we transform our generation fleet, we're going to be in the range of 36% coal – at least down 36% from a coal perspective, up 2% on natural gas, no change on nuclear, up 29% on solar and hydro, wind, and then energy efficiency up 5%. So, you're seeing a very different view of what really is changing from a generation fleet to resources. And those resources include transmission, and they also include the efficiencies within the grid itself that have yet to really been – you haven't seen that capital picture yet. So, it's going to continue to change dramatically.

[Greg Gordon:]

That's – even without Wind Catcher, that's impressive.

[Nicholas K. Akins:]

Yeah.

[Greg Gordon:]

Thanks. I look forward to seeing you, guys.

[Nicholas K. Akins:]

Yes. Thanks.

[Operator:]

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Christopher Turnure with JP Morgan. Your line is open.

[Nicholas K. Akins:]

Morning, Christopher.

[Christopher Turnure:]

Good morning, guys. Could you talk a little bit about the O&M trajectory year-to-date versus your original plan, and any of the drivers that might be underlying that?

[Brian X. Tierney:]

Yeah. So we're going to be up a little bit as we were out with the weather being what it's come in at. Last year, we significantly throttled back O&M in the fourth quarter. This year, given where we've gotten ahead with weather, we've been able to move some things into 2018 from 2019. And so, between shifting employee-related expenses, some things we've taken on forestry, we're going to be up versus what we had previously announced at EEI for last year.

[Christopher Turnure:]

Okay. And can you give us a sense as to how much of that differential versus your original plan was due to pulling forward O&M from 2019?

[Brian X. Tierney:]

A relatively small portion, less than $0.10 per share.

[Christopher Turnure:]

Okay. And then my second question is as you look out over the next five years and think about your tax appetite and level of just cash taxes in general, kind of how you think about that? And does that position you well versus your competitors for renewable projects, and position you well even within any regulated renewable projects that you'd like to do in terms of the costs that you can offer your customers?

[Brian X. Tierney:]

Yeah. So, we do have tax appetite for both the regulated side of the business and the competitive side of the business. And we anticipate utilizing that tax appetite to the point where we anticipate having a cash effective tax rate on a federal basis of about 5% for the foreseeable future

[Christopher Turnure:]

Okay. Great. Thank you.

[Brian X. Tierney:]

Thanks.

[Operator:]

Thank you. Our next question will come from the line of Paul Patterson with Glenrock Associates. Your line is open.

[Brian X. Tierney:]

Good morning, Paul.

[Paul Patterson:]

Good morning. How are you? How are you doing?

[Brian X. Tierney:]

Just fine.

[Paul Patterson:]

Really, just sort of one question here that I have left, and that is the ROE case in New England. I was wondering how you guys were looking at that in the context of the FERC ROE settlement that you guys came up with. And just any thoughts you have about the, I guess it's kind of a proposal, but whatever they're – what they're proposing in New England which seems to be a new policy in general? And just how you see that in the context of what you guys settled on?

[Brian X. Tierney:]

So, Paul, when we take that methodology and apply it to our facts, we come up with an ROE that is very, very similar to what we settled at. One of the other benefits that we got from the settlement was the opportunity to increase our equity layer from 50% to 55%. And so, even though the ROE is right on top of where we would calculate it given the New England transmission owners' orders, we think we end up even better than that given the increase in the equity layer. And then, of course, on top of that, we had, as Nick was talking about earlier, the incentive for being in an RTO.

[Paul Patterson:]

So, when you look at it, just to make sure I understand, you see your base ROE – you think that the new proposed numbers apply to your situation, would have come in pretty close to where you are...

[Nicholas K. Akins:]

Yeah. We're in great (00

[Paul Patterson:]

...where you settled on?

[Nicholas K. Akins:]

Yes. Very similar.

[Paul Patterson:]

Okay. Awesome. Thanks so much.

[Brian X. Tierney:]

Okay. Thanks, Paul.

[Operator:]

Thank you. Our next question comes – thank you. And that will be from the line of Ali Agha with SunTrust. Your line is open.

[Ali Agha:]

Thank you.

[Nicholas K. Akins:]

Almost missed you, Ali.

[Ali Agha:]

Yes. Good morning.

[Nicholas K. Akins:]

Yeah.

[Ali Agha:]

One thing I wanted to clarify, Brian. Back on the second quarter call, you had laid out your 2021 CapEx. And now, if I'm hearing you right, at EEI, you will lay out a five-year look. So presumably, that gets us to 2023. One, I wanted to confirm that. And then secondly, should we also expect that your transmission earnings outlook, which currently is out till 2020, that you'll also extend that out to 2023 as well?

[Brian X. Tierney:]

Nope. We're going to add a year to that. So, let me confirm that we are going to show five years of CapEx, and we'll show an additional year on the transmission outlook.

[Ali Agha:]

I got you. Okay. And then secondly, Nick, you talk about having your sort of blended portfolio ROE somewhere in the 10% range, which is obviously where you're tracking right now. But in actuality, I just wanted to confirm, when you look at what your authorized ROEs are across your jurisdictions and you compare that to the 10.1% LTM ROE that you're running, is there any regulatory lag in the system? And some of it may just be fictional and historical, but just to get a sense of the difference in authorized and actual earned.

[Nicholas K. Akins:]

Yeah. There is a regulatory lag, but also there's – and we sort of position our cases where they need to be done. In some cases, I mean like AEP Texas, it's a lower ROE because we're investing heavily, but it's a really good recovery mechanism in Texas. The same is true with the transmission. And then, we have the formula based rates in various jurisdictions, and Arkansas has formula-based rates now, and certainly, we're trying to get that at PSO to bring that more concurrent. But there is regulatory lag in there, and we're trying to minimize that as much as possible to bring up the effect of ROEs. That's a critical component of what we're working with our regulators on. And as far as looking into the future, you're going to have AEP Ohio, that portion dropped off. So the legacy parts of AEP Ohio, the RSR and the PIR and all that kind of stuff, that's going to drop off. But at the same time, we expect other jurisdictions to be picking up. So, – including PSO. And so, that's part of it as well. So, it's probably more convoluted than -you can't look at each one of them deterministically because we invest differently in each company at different times, and timing has a lot to do with it, and the O&M spend for various activities. But generally speaking across the board, we always try to get to that 10%.

[Ali Agha:]

I got you. Last question, I also want to just clarify, at EEI, in addition to extending the time period, did I hear you folks right that given the opportunities that you're seeing, whether it's renewables or transmission, et cetera, that there's also an opportunity and expectation that the absolute amounts of investment also likely goes up as well? Just clarifying if I heard that right.

[Nicholas K. Akins:]

So we're going to talk about that at EEI.

[Ali Agha:]

Okay. But that was not what you had signaled in your comments currently?

[Brian X. Tierney:]

We're going to – we'll give you the full update at EEI, Ali.

[Ali Agha:]

I got you. Okay. Thank you.

[Brian X. Tierney:]

Thanks.

[Operator:]

Thank you. And, speakers, I'd like to turn it back over to you for any closing comments.

[Bette Jo Rozsa:]

I'll take that. Thank you for joining us on today's call, everyone. And as always, the IR team will be available to answer any additional questions you may have. Cynthia, would you please give the replay information?

[Operator:]

Thank you. And, ladies and gentlemen, today's conference call will be available for replay after 11