Cross Country Healthcare, Inc.
Q4 2020 Earnings Call Transcript

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  • Operator:
    Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. And welcome to Cross Country Healthcare's Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2020 Earnings Conference Call. A replay of this call will also be available through March 11, 2021, and can be accessed either on the company's website or by dialing (800) 510-0118 for domestic calls and (203) 369-3808 for international calls and by entering the pass code 2021. At the conclusion of the prepared remarks, I will open the line for questions.
  • William Burns:
    Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to Cross Country Healthcare's fourth quarter and full year 2020 earnings call. I'm joined today by our Co-Founder and Chief Executive Officer, Kevin Clark; as well as Buffy White, Group President of Workforce Solutions and Services; and Steve Saville, Group President of Locums and Education; as well as our newest member of our executive team, John Martins, Group President of Nurse and Allied. Welcome, John. Today's call will include a discussion of our financial results for the fourth quarter and full year of 2020 and our outlook for the first quarter of 2021. A copy of our earnings press release is available on our website at crosscountryhealthcare.com. Before we begin, we need to remind everyone that certain statements made on this call may constitute forward-looking statements. As noted in our press release, forward-looking statements can vary materially from actual results and are subject to known and unknown risks, uncertainties and other factors, including those contained in the company's 2019 annual report on Form 10-K and quarterly reports on Form 10-Q as well as in other filings with the SEC. The company undertakes no obligation to update any of its forward-looking statements. Also, comments made during this teleconference reference non-GAAP financial measures such as adjusted EBITDA and adjusted earnings per share. Such non-GAAP financial measures are provided as additional information and should not be considered substitutes for or superior to financial measures calculated in accordance with U.S. GAAP. More information related to these non-GAAP financial measures is contained in our press release. With that, I will now turn the call over to our Co-Founder and Chief Executive Officer, Kevin Clark.
  • Kevin Clark:
    Thanks, Bill. And thank you to everyone for joining us this afternoon. I'd like to begin by welcoming John Martins to Cross Country. John brings a wealth of expertise and deep industry knowledge, having served in very senior positions for several large health care staffing firms during the course of his successful career. This call marks the second anniversary of my return to this amazing company, and I am incredibly proud of everything we've accomplished in that short time. Having reinvigorated the company culture, embrace technology that is transforming our company and harness the power of the Cross Country brand, we demonstrated our ability to meet our clients' needs and have, once again, exceeded guidance for revenue and profitability.
  • William Burns:
    Thanks, Kevin. The fourth quarter and full year results, once again, demonstrated our ability to execute well across multiple fronts, including expanding our base of clinicians on assignment against the backdrop of rising demand, as well as enhancing the productivity of revenue producers through tighter alignment, process improvements and embracing technology. These actions allowed us to deliver consolidated revenue for the full year of 2%, despite school closures impacting our education business, and other impacts from COVID-19 on our local and physician staffing businesses. Turning to the quarterly results. Consolidated revenue was $215.6 million, up 11% sequentially and essentially flat with the prior year. The strong sequential improvement was driven primarily by growth in our travel nurse and local business as well as the impact from the start of the school year for our education business. Revenue for our largest segment, Nurse and Allied Staffing, was $196.4 million, representing a 12% sequential increase and 3% over the prior year. On a sequential basis, the growth was fueled primarily by an increase in the number of billable hours as well as an increase in the average bill rates. As expected, revenue from education clients remain down approximately 30% over the prior year due to the continued virtual learning in most school districts.
  • Operator:
    Thank you. Our first question is from A.J. Rice with Credit Suisse. You may go ahead.
  • A.J. Rice:
    Yes. Hello, everybody. Just trying to understand the dynamics, first of all, in the Nurse and Allied. Is the benefit that you're seeing from COVID-related assignments pretty much on the travel side only? Or is that helping or changing the trajectory on the branch side as well, local side?
  • Kevin Clark:
    Yes, Hey, A.J., it's Kevin. Great to hear from you. Yes, the - look, the principal driver is travel nursing. However, with imaging, respiratory lab in our allied areas, we're also seeing impact from COVID. And because our local staffing business is across the spectrum of registered nurses and LPN and CAN, as well as allied, that has also benefited from COVID orders as well. And in addition, we are also expanding our ability to staff clients, like, for example, the federal government in various states around vaccinations, testing, screening. So all of those areas also have had a positive impact. As Bill and I called out in the script just now, we're still seeing a depressed demand in certain specialties or a softer demand in our physician specialties such as anesthesiology in primary care. So - but for the most part, on balance, COVID has helped us across these other segments.
  • A.J. Rice:
    I was going to ask you about the vaccines and the testing. Is that, right now, like, in the fourth quarter, was that a significant revenue contributor? Or is that sort of something that's emerging in the first quarter? And do you have any sense of when you're staffing these various places with the federal government? Or otherwise, is there a commitment for your staff for a while? Or is it sort of a week-by-week basis? How does that work?
  • Kevin Clark:
    Yes. I'll start, and then I'll ask Buffy to also weigh in. It's a modest impact right now, A.J. We are certainly supporting our clients where they've asked us. We are broadening our approach to some of the pharmacy distribution companies and other providers that are providing some of these vaccination. We think it's going to be a multiyear opportunity for the company. We think it's - we're going to see this environment for the next couple of years. But Buffy, you might want to add to that.
  • Buffy White:
    No, Kevin, thank you. And A.J., I would agree with what Kevin said. I think that we are -- we saw some testing -- starting to see some vaccination activity, but more testing in Q4. I think we definitely are seeing now more dialogue in the marketplace, more requests for proposals and solutions for vaccinations coming from the government side, also direct companies trying to support their workforce and as Kevin mentioned, the pharmaceutical industry. So we - I project that we will be seeing more request for this and more proposals and start to see some vaccination efforts moving forward.
  • A.J. Rice:
    Okay. Maybe one last question around MSPs. What are you seeing there? Or you're -- I'm assuming they get prioritized for fill rates and so forth? Or are you able to keep them happy? Is there created opportunities where some of that sort of second-tier customer that hasn't gone the MSP route maybe is not being served by the market as well right now, and they're looking at MSPS. What would you say is the underlying dynamic in that market?
  • Kevin Clark:
    Yes. I mean that's a great question, A.J. Well, for us, it's a good story. I mean, look, we have about 80 MSPs. We certainly pivoted as much as we could to support their requirements during COVID as well as also try to support direct relationships and even some of our third-party network clients. What we've seen in the business is that our capture rate has improved to 74%, and - which is a good thing. We'll see if we are able to sustain a number well above 60 where we've traditionally been. But for us, it's been a - it's positive because we've really pivoted our resources to ensure that those customers get filled in terms of all their requirements. Today, 43% of all of our revenue flows through those MSP contracts. And it's - from a Nursing and Allied perspective, it's actually a little bit higher, it's 46%. But Buffy, you might want to talk about the second-tier part of that question.
  • Buffy White:
    Sure. Yes, absolutely. I think our team has done an extraordinary job. Just a great effort, really, throughout the year supporting client candidates and across our communities, I think, capture rate, very high. So we're very proud of our MSP efforts. And as far as second tier, I think that we have continued to hear from customers the need for more support. So we have definitely seen an increase in Q4 and heading into Q1, particularly from second-tier customers looking for our support. I would also say, in addition, the MSP pipeline, very, very strong ahead. I'm very encouraged about that. And as a matter of fact, we closed and are in implementation of two MSP programs right now in the first quarter. So very encouraged about the pipeline ahead for both MSP and second-tier and direct business.
  • A.J. Rice:
    Okay, great. Thanks a lot.
  • Operator:
    Thank you. Our next question is from Jeff Silber with BMO Capital Markets. You may go ahead.
  • Jeff Silber:
    Thanks so much. You mentioned that you're expecting the current quarter to be the largest in your company's history. I know we're in unique times, and I know you don't give guidance beyond the current quarter. But would it make sense to see year-over-year growth for the rest of the quarters in 2021?
  • Kevin Clark:
    Hi, Jeff. It's a very good question. Look, as we've also said tonight, we've really completed our turnaround. Cross Country is growing, and we expect to see growth each and every quarter going forward. Having said that, what we also said earlier is that our bill rates are probably peaking here in Q1, and we'll see the trend line for bill rates probably recede as fortunately for our country, vaccinations rollout and hospitalizations, hopefully, continue to decline. But I do want to make the point that we're also encouraged as that trend line happens that we see a resumption of our education business as schools reopen. We can see a resumption in growth in our physician business. But we're also taking steps that we've talked about in the last two years in terms of our digital transformation, improving the tech stack and the ability to have the most productive tools in the hands of our recruiters and account managers and salespeople. So we're a growth company, and we expect to see growth each and every quarter with probably a declining trend line around bill rates. And I don't know, Bill Burns, if you want to add into that.
  • William Burns:
    Yes. I just would add that it's obviously our stated goal to get to that year-over-year growth, as Kevin pointed out. I think we're nice gains on the productivity front. And just looking into the first quarter, we are seeing volume growth across most of our businesses. For the travel business, for example, it's estimated that we'll see about a 30% uptick in travelers on assignment for the first quarter. As you look at our local business, it's a little more balanced, probably about half the sequential growth that we're expecting in first quarter - or sorry, the year-over-year growth will come from growth and half from price. So they're - all the businesses are contributing. We need the schools to go back into session, of course, and that will help our education business. But that is the goal, and I think it's possible.
  • Jeff Silber:
    And just on that education business, can you remind us how large that was maybe in 2019 pre-pandemic?
  • Kevin Clark:
    Steve, do you want to kind of cover the education business - well, maybe Bill cover the numbers, and maybe, Steve, you can comment on that as well. Jeff might want to hear in terms of where we are.
  • William Burns:
    Yes. Our education businesses have been running roughly around about a $50 million run rate prior to COVID. And as we've called out on the call just a few minutes ago, it's trended down about 30% with the bulk of the business being recovered through teleservices, and that's where I'll hand it off to Steve.
  • Stephen Saville:
    Sure. Thank you, Bill. And Jeff, thanks for the question. With regard to the continuation of this business, the story is very similar to what we told entering COVID, we moved quickly into a virtual environment. We've delivered the overwhelming majority of our services in the education market virtually. That includes education services. Mental health services as well as therapy services, in particular, speech. So we are - and while doing that, we also positioned the operations of the business to accelerate immediately upon the re-entry of students into the school environment. We expect, as Bill called out on the initial comments, that as soon as students are back in the school environment that we'll see double-digit growth in this business very quickly.
  • Jeff Silber:
    All right. That's great. If I could just sneak one more in. I asked this to your larger competitors. So I feel I need to ask this to you as well. When we've seen these type of bill rate increases in the past, so sizable, afterwards, you tend to get a pushback from some of your customer base in terms of trying to reduce the number of travelers on assignment is one example. I know things are a little bit different this time. But why should we not expect the same kind of pushback once we get past the pandemic? Thanks.
  • Kevin Clark:
    Yes. Good question again, Jeff. Look, I think one of the things that the global pandemic has done is reinforce the value proposition of the health care staffing industry, and particularly the travel nurse marketplace. It's far more efficient for these health care systems to rely upon temporary staff to fill peak orders and to balance and optimize their staffing and utilize the least -- the most efficient, I will say, labor resource. So from our perspective, I think this is like a 30-year trend line that continues to expand the adoption of flex labor, freelance, temp staffing to support an employer enterprise. So from our perspective, we are hopeful that hospitalizations decline for a lot of reasons, one of which, we want to see the pay packages, which are driving the nurses to these -- with these high bill recede for the benefit of our clients. We want to see our clients benefit as -- in terms of a resumption and back to kind of a normalization of our marketplace. John Martins, I don't know if you want to add comments to that. I mean, in terms of what we're seeing out there in the market.
  • John Martins:
    Sure. And Jeff, what I'd say is we're also seeing, and we're hearing from our clients and clinicians, the burnout factor, the fatigue they're facing. And I think that's a large part of why would we continue to see demand for these services. And look, it's been an emotional year for everybody, right, and especially our clinicians on the frontline who battle the pandemic. And our clients - we're hearing from our clients that they're expecting higher-than-normal retirements and they're going to continue to look for Cross Country to help them backfill their needs and ramp up their core staff in a supply constrained market. We had a supply constraint market prior to COVID, and it's only to get worse with the number of retirements that we'll be facing in the future.
  • Jeff Silber:
    All right. Really appreciate all the color. Thanks so much.
  • Operator:
    Thank you. Our next question is from Tobey Sommer with Truist Securities. You may go ahead.
  • Tobey Sommer:
    Thanks. Could I start by asking for an update on your tech overhaul, new systems. What are the key dates of upcoming transitions and which parts of the business and risks as you see things going forward?
  • Kevin Clark:
    Sure. Hey, Tobey. Well, first of all, it's gone great. For really the past two years, we've hit all of our important milestones. This year, we called out we're going to spend approximately $12 million to $15 million in CapEx. A lot of that capital is going towards the next phase of some of these projects, for example, middle office. Now that we have the bulk of our business, our front office on this new ATS, we want to make sure that we're connecting from an infrastructure perspective with payroll billing and make a seamless tech stack. So that's one important objective this year. The other is to onboard our local staffing business onto this ATS as well by the year-end. So those are two key projects. They're right on track. We're confident. And then the third is our proprietary marketplace app that we have rolled out now nationally to all of our local markets. We're going to continue to invest behind marketplace. We believe that is the gateway through which all of our health care professionals will seek jobs and do business with Cross Country as well as long-term with all of our clients. So it's an important part of our go-to-market strategy, and that's an important investment that we're making as well.
  • Tobey Sommer:
    Thanks. Could you talk about cash flow in the quarter? I mean it was a good year but the quarter in itself, given the revenue spike, just wondering if you could speak to that and maybe give us some color into your guidance, whether there are any sort of exogenous factors restraining that? Thanks.
  • William Burns:
    Sure, Tobey.
  • Kevin Clark:
    Bill, why don't you...
  • William Burns:
    Yes. I got it. Yes. So the fourth quarter cash flow was about $2 million generated from a cash flow from operations perspective. I'd say it was really largely due to the sequential ramp throughout the quarter in business. You just don't have the time on the collection front to collect. You've got the disbursement so it's an investment in working capital, and I would expect those collections to come in, in the first quarter. And similarly with the sequential growth, I think we'll see an additional investment in the first quarter for working capital. But again, that will work itself out in the second and third quarter. So overall for the full year, though, to have generated $27 million of free - of cash flow from operations, we're very pleased with that.
  • Tobey Sommer:
    Thanks. Could you give us a sense for what you've experienced in your local business in areas where you closed an office. Did you end up giving up some revenue based on the contracting footprint? Just kind of give us a flavor for how that's gone?
  • Kevin Clark:
    Yes. I mean, first of all, it's gone really, really well. We've seen -- first of all, the last two quarters sequentially, our local business has been up each quarter in terms of our revenue, and we're seeing growth out of that business. We're very encouraged. We're encouraged as we enter into 2021. Cross Country, I think, in a lot of ways, we had some fortunate good luck in terms of having a silver lining with this global pandemic in that we, like many other companies, shifted to a virtual work environment. And although we were planning to close those branches, it was over a longer period of time, so our ability to accelerate and close 50 branches. And from a perspective that we had a -- we couldn't fail and we had to have our operations run seamlessly and smoothly, it was an opportunity for the company to accelerate and move to a leaner, more efficient, one single Cross Country. And the other part of that is technology. We've had to invest in the infrastructure in the company to support that, and we've done that. So from our perspective, the local business has been growing the last couple of quarters. We've also expanded some of our staffing opportunities to include labor disruptions, both in the third quarter and the fourth quarter. And we continue to believe that one of the ways Cross Country differentiates itself from our peer group is that we have such a large-scale local staffing business that can support clients such as our MSPs who require more than just staffing in inner-city acute care hospital. They have community hospitals, outpatient centers other centers that they have staffing requirements that we can support with that local business.
  • Tobey Sommer:
    And lastly, I had a question about your guidance. Is that level of adjusted EBITDA margin, is that allowing you to -- or do you have additional investments that you're sort of accelerating in that framework? Or is this the kind of margin you would imagine at this revenue level on sort of a normalized basis post COVID when you can be at this revenue level? I'm just kind of curious, close to $300 million. I might have thought you would have a higher flow-through to EBITDA?
  • William Burns:
    Yes, I'll take that question, Tobey. We are continuing to make investments, obviously, in the first quarter towards continuing to fuel growth. So there'll be investments in revenue producers across most of our lines of business. So that's factored into this as well. And I would just point out that there's a margin component to it. While the revenue is a bit higher, the gross margin is artificially lower because of the mix of orders. The COVID assignments, the crisis assignments do not tend to have margins as high as the overall consolidated average. And I'll just point out, like, as we saw rates go up sequentially in the fourth quarter from the third quarter, almost the probably 90-plus percent of the increase in bill rates went back to the health care professional. So not really adding much to the gross margin. And you can imagine, as we step into Q1, as bill rates surge forward a little further because of the mix of orders and demand, that's going to have a weighting effect on the overall gross margin.
  • Tobey Sommer:
    Okay. Thank you.
  • Operator:
    Thank you. The next question is from Kevin Fischbeck with Bank of America. You may go ahead.
  • Kevin Fischbeck:
    Great. Thanks. I wanted to follow up on the stat you gave about the recruiters seeing the 36% increase in travelers on assignment in Q4. Was that a sequential number or a year-over-year number?
  • Kevin Clark:
    That is a year-over-year number, I believe, based on our average. Bill, is that correct?
  • William Burns:
    Yes. It was a year-over-year number, Kevin.
  • Kevin Clark:
    Okay. And I guess, overall placements are down year-over-year. So I guess, what's the delta between those numbers?
  • William Burns:
    Sorry, could you...
  • Kevin Clark:
    I mean, look, we hit a - like most companies in our industry, I mean we had an unprecedented drop in demand, Kevin, as you recall, in the second quarter. And we've been rebuilding our business, Q3, Q4, Q1, three quarters in a row, including the existing current quarter of growth. So we're seeing - from a demand perspective, we are seeing a decline in demand from the end of the fourth quarter. But the demand is still very, very strong. It's really at pre-COVID levels. And as a result of having kind of a significant opportunity, we've been investing in headcount of revenue-producing employees. So from our perspective, we look at this as continuing to improve and grow our share count, our field count of health care professionals and we continue to believe that the tools that we've rolled out, such as our new ATS and other things that we're doing, will continue to yield a higher book of business per recruiter, per account manager. And that's the trajectory that we are sustaining at this point.
  • Kevin Fischbeck:
    Okay. I guess, maybe if we just take a step back and think about it, COVID, obviously, skewed a lot of the numbers as far as demand, as far as pricing. If you think about where you expect to be today now, say, at the end of the year, the exit rate at the end of the year versus where you might have thought you would be at the beginning of last year before COVID hit. I mean do you feel like you - the company is on the same trajectory that you would have thought, ahead or behind? And I guess, the two factors, I guess, that might impact that would be just overall industry demand as you exit this year, how is that trending overall? And then on a normalized basis? And then your performance versus kind of what you would have thought you'd be doing exiting the year?
  • Kevin Clark:
    I mean, well, look, that's a very interesting question, hypothetically. Look, I'll tell you what we are - what I can tell you is that we are very pleased with where we are as a company. We've made the investments. We've hit the milestones. We've taken out significant costs. We're seeing an increase in productivity. As we've just mentioned, we're seeing our headcount grow. We're winning. As Buffy pointed out, MSPs this quarter, our MSP labor under management has grown throughout the past year. So there is a lot of positive trend lines happening with Cross Country. I'm very, very excited about our future. I think the company is back. We're seeing a lot of growth of new candidates buying Cross Country. I think our brand is resonating in the marketplace, again, at a very high level. So it's hard to say this pandemic changed a lot of plans for the company in terms of especially some of the businesses like Cross Country Locums, which in 2019 was having its first year of significant growth in a number of years. And then we saw this softness in the physician specialties around elective surgery and some of the areas that we've mentioned earlier. So - but we're optimistic. We're excited for the country that we're exiting this -- hopefully, this pandemic this year. We're going to -- and we'll see our hospital clients continue to value us in the marketplace.
  • Kevin Fischbeck:
    Okay. And I guess, it looks like you're obviously making improvements on cash flow and EBITDA this year. When do you think you'd be looking to do acquisitions again?
  • Kevin Clark:
    Yes. That's a great question. Soon, we hope. Because we started, as you might recall, about 15 months ago, we launched our M&A corporate development team under Steve Saville, and I'll ask him to comment in a minute. And we were hard at work building a very robust pipeline, and then COVID hit 11 - a year or so ago. And the whole M&A market really just was under a suspension for a couple of quarters. But since October - September, October time frame, we're seeing the pipeline really re-emerge. It's been actually very active. And as Bill's pointed out and I have as well, we have made substantial progress on our balance sheet. So for two years, we haven't -- two years I've been here, we haven't made any acquisitions. It's been since mid-2017 since the company has made a major acquisition. So we are in great condition. We have the right credit facility. We've got approximately $50 million of cash where we finished in the fourth quarter. The company is growing. Our earnings are expanding. And we're in a great position to go after these tuck-in acquisitions in the key areas that we've talked to before, which are principally around areas like locum tenens, education, allied health, technology, looking for opportunities to get scale and to be accretive. But, I don't know, Steve, you might want to provide some additional color.
  • Stephen Saville:
    Well, Kevin, that was pretty full of color. And Kevin, thanks for the question. I'll just add one item, and that is, as we're evaluating businesses for acquisition, the attractive opportunities that we're looking for that fit our overall strategy to grow the business, create operating efficiencies and increase profitability are key considerations in all of our evaluations. There is an exuberance amongst the seller market right now. I think some of which has come about as a result of COVID. And the performance that some organizations have had as a result, and we continue to weigh that accordingly as we evaluate the businesses.
  • Kevin Fischbeck:
    All right. That’s helpful. Thanks.
  • Operator:
    Thank you. The next question is from Kevin Steinke with Barrington Research. You may go ahead.
  • Kevin Steinke:
    Good afternoon. Kevin, I was just curious about your thoughts at the outset of the call talking about the turnaround being successfully completed. Maybe can you just review your thoughts on what gives you that confidence that kind of the turnaround phase is done here for the company as we move forward?
  • Kevin Clark:
    Hey, Kevin. Good to hear you. There's a lot of Kevins on this call. I think it's proof that the Irish are repopulating the planet. But anyway, nice to hear your voice. Look, we think the turnaround is successful because we are growing our revenue. We're growing our profitability. We've hit our milestones in terms of our digital transformation. The company is more agile now. We - when I joined the company in January of 2019, we had nearly 70 offices. We have a dozen today. We have streamlined the organization in many, many ways. We have a more productive workforce. We have a focus. We collapsed 24 brands into 1. We have an enterprise sales organization that I think is best-in-class. With the addition of John Martins coming aboard, I would argue to anybody that we have the strongest, most experienced management team in the industry. We have, I don't know, 100-plus years of experience in this specific industry. So to me, the company has a lot of energy. The culture is positive. The results are positive. Our clients are happy with our results. And I think as we exit the pandemic and some of these other segments come back for us, such as the physician area and education, and we're able to complement this organization with tuck-in acquisitions that we just talked about. I think the future is very bright.
  • Kevin Steinke:
    Okay. Great. I think when you joined, you had kind of talked about a 3-year plan. I think that was more related to the digital transformation, though. So maybe I'm splitting here or there. But it's - obviously, I guess, the digital transformation is still somewhat ongoing with the things you're doing in the middle office and back office, but maybe the bulk of that is pretty much done. Is that a fair way to characterize it?
  • Kevin Clark:
    Yes, I'd say - what I'd say specifically is we felt there was three years of important work to get the technology where we wanted it from a digital transformation perspective from the candidate side to make it easy for candidates to do business with us and seek jobs and also to integrate into one tech stack. But what we also said, Kevin, was that we were writing and putting together with our Board a 5 year strategic plan that would get the company back on track from a profitability perspective, and we called out that by the fourth quarter of 2022, we anticipate exiting that year at an 8% adjusted EBITDA rate. And we're - and I would reaffirm tonight that commitment. We are on a steady path to see that improvement. Hopefully, we'll exceed that and get there sooner. We ended this past quarter over 5% of adjusted EBITDA. For the year, we were over 4% EBITDA. That's up from the prior year of just over 3%. So we have a marked step towards that 8%, getting the company successfully turned around from a profitability perspective, but also from an infrastructure and a go-to-market strategy and from a tech and a digital transformation perspective as well.
  • Kevin Steinke:
    Okay. Great. And then can I just ask, too, about how we should think about G&A trending in 2021, the puts and takes there in terms of cost savings versus -- I think you talked about higher incentive compensation with a strong revenue performance. So I don't know, Bill, if you had any thoughts on that? Love to hear anything that might be helpful.
  • William Burns:
    Sure. Yes, I think we called out the year-over-year change on SG&A related to the health - the - sorry, to the incentive compensation. Principally, because the fourth quarter was stronger than we expected, so we had higher commissions and short term incentives for the annual attainment. So it was a bit of a catch-up in the year just because of the stronger-than-expected performance. I don't expect that we'll see a marked increase in that component going forward. I think it might be more spread out throughout the year as opposed to how we saw it come in 2020. But I would - what I would say is we definitely realized the savings from the efforts that we undertook in the second quarter and in the third quarter. We can see it in both our salary costs as well as our rent and overhead facility costs. But we are reinvesting in the business, and that's the important point. We are going to continue - as long as we continue to see a strong backdrop in the market around demand, we'll keep making investments in revenue-producing headcount. And also as long as the productivity continues to improve as well. We think we can look to see a double impact from that from adding capacity as well as having our revenue producers have a higher working head count.
  • Kevin Steinke:
    Okay. Thanks for the commentary. Appreciate it.
  • William Burns:
    Thanks, Kevin.
  • Operator:
    Thank you. The next question is from Brian Tanquilut with Jefferies. You may go ahead.
  • Jack Slevin:
    Thanks. This is Jack Slevin on for Brian. I guess I just wanted to turn on to the Search segment quickly. Revenues looked a little stronger, I think, than people had been expecting. Lots of people expecting that to kind of lag behind the other areas of the business in terms of recovery and then a particularly strong number on operating income. Anything you can call out there or commentary would be great?
  • Kevin Clark:
    Bill, do you want to take that?
  • William Burns:
    Yes. I think - I mean I'll start and I can hand it off to Steve. I think that we've continued to see better traction than we anticipated on the number of placements that we had in the quarter. So that was one element that drove that. I think also on the RPO front, which is also part of that segment, our recruitment process outsourcing continues to gain traction with our clients, especially in this marketplace. So those were the key drivers. And we had a concerted effort earlier in the year as part of our cost reductions and getting our businesses into the best shape possible for COVID. We had some cost reductions that did impact that segment as well. So some of the profitability you're seeing there is from increased flow-through from operating efficiencies from either headcount reductions or realigning compensation structures and the like. So it's a business that's on a better footing than it had been earlier in the year when we were actually losing money prior to COVID. So on down revenue, we're actually now generating profit. So we think it's in a good place and a good trajectory. But I don't know, Steve or Buffy, if you have any comments on either the RPO or the Search.
  • Buffy White:
    This is Buffy. I'm happy to jump in. I think this is an area that I'm excited about moving into 2021. With organizations are turning their attention to increasing their core staff, they might not have the infrastructure to support the volume to build back up their core amount. So they need avenues kind of to widen their access to talent. So we are already starting to see a lot of interest and a lot of activity in the areas of Search and RPO. And the candidates rich -- the marketplace is rich for it. So I definitely think that it's got the right trajectory going, and we're going to continue to invest in this area.
  • Jack Slevin:
    Great. Thanks. And then one more for me. In terms of alternative sites, the service and demand trends you're seeing there. Just would love to hear your thoughts, whether it be with larger systems that have a variety of offerings or perhaps MSP clients or independents?
  • Kevin Clark:
    Yes. I mean - thanks, Jack. I'll start and then Buffy can add from her perspective as well. But what's happening in the marketplace overall as health systems are continuing to have a land grab and are continuing to grow their regional footprint and enter new areas. From ancillary outpatient surgical centers, we're seeing the expansion of these health systems. And so the requirements from Cross Country are also scaling to meet those clients' needs, and that's why I think we feel very well positioned with not just an extremely strong travel nurse and allied business, but also a local staffing business that can support these smaller facilities and outpatient facilities in rural communities, where they still have staffing challenges. So we're - the type of customer for us is changing over time. As we mentioned earlier, we're also working with large pharmaceutical distribution companies. Other large partners from state governments and others around other types of needs like vaccinations and testing, et cetera. But Buffy, you might want to add to that.
  • Buffy White:
    Sure. I would agree. I think that we are seeing requests across the board from all different types of customers. And even in the non-traditional customer space from governments to direct companies. And I think with more consolidation in some of the health care systems, more of the previous health care facilities that may not have used contingent staffing in the past now looking at it. If this year has thought us anything, it's we need to look at more flexible models up and down, how do we change these models, how do we optimize the staff that we have, but then complement it so that we could support the peaks and valleys that they're potentially going to need in all of the different specialties at a very efficient method. So I think we're seeing across the board differences in MSP, more complex solutions being required across all of the different sites from their large facilities to long-term care centers, community hospitals, et cetera. But again, the non-traditional business will continue on for some time, we foresee, with government, and this will include kind of your Department of Health locations, rural locations. So we anticipate this will continue.
  • Jack Slevin:
    Thanks. And congrats again on a great quarter.
  • Buffy White:
    Thank you.
  • Kevin Clark:
    Thanks, Jack.
  • Operator:
    Thank you. And ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude the Q&A period. I'll now turn it back over to Kevin Clark for closing remarks.
  • Kevin Clark:
    Yes. Thank you, Susie, and thank you, everyone, for joining us this evening. We look forward to updating you on our progress on our first quarter call. We remain encouraged that the trend of new cases seems to be improving. And with vaccines rolling out, our country will continue to return to normal. Please stay safe, everybody. Thank you.
  • Operator:
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