CuriosityStream Inc.
Q4 2020 Earnings Call Transcript

Published: 23 Mar 2021

[Operator:]

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by and welcome the CuriosityStream Q4 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speakers’, there will be a question-and-answer session. Please be advised that today’s conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over your speaker today, Denise Garcia, Investor Relations. Thank you. Please go ahead, ma’am.

[Denise Garcia:]

Thanks David. Welcome to CuriosityStream’s discussion of its fourth quarter and full year 2020 financial results. Leading the discussion today are Clint Stinchcomb, CuriosityStream’s Chief Executive Officer; and Jason Eustace, CuriosityStream’s Chief Financial Officer. Following management’s prepared remarks, we will be happy to take your questions. But first, I’ll review the safe harbor statement.

[Clint Stinchcomb:]

Thank you, Denise. I’d like to thank everyone for joining our fourth quarter and full Year 2020 earnings call. I’m delighted to have with us today, our COO and General Counsel, Tia Cudahy; our CFO, Jason Eustace; and our Chief Product Officer and EVP of Content Strategy, Devin Emery. After my comments, I will turn the call over to our CFO, Jason Eustace, to review the financials. At the close of Jason’s review, we will open up the call for questions. CuriosityStream’s mission is to provide premium factual entertainment that informs, enchants and inspires. As a pure-play streaming service, we are capitalizing on current and emerging worldwide trends favoring on-demand content. Our security and robust business model with multiple avenues of content monetization and our differentiated content offering provides us with several key competitive advantages. And our focus on factual content, which has longevity and engaging appeal across multiple demographics and geographies is key to our success. Let me talk about our success in 2020. I’m pleased to report that we had a record end to the year and fourth quarter. Our year-end 2020 revenue was more than double our 2019 annual revenue and more than 4 times our 2018 annual revenue. Revenue in the fourth quarter grew 70% year-over-year to $11.4 million, driven by continued strength in direct subscription revenue with program sales and sponsorship also contributing to our success in the quarter.

[Jason Eustace:]

Thanks, Clint. I’m also excited about our strength entering 2021 and our 2020 accomplishments. Before I review our fourth quarter financials, I’ll note that we have included our unaudited financial statements of operations in the fourth -- for the fourth quarter and the full year of 2020 as well as our net loss to EBITDA reconciliation in today’s press release. Our audited financials will be included in our 10-K filing, which we’ll be filing next week. Now, let’s review fourth quarter financials. So, CuriosityStream’s Q4 2020 revenues grew 70% to $11.4 million, up from $6.7 million in Q4 2019. This was led by direct-to-consumer and distribution subscription revenue. We continue to increase all of our revenue lines year-over-year with new contributions from sponsorship and advertising.

[Operator:]

Our first question comes from the line of Dan Kurnos with The Benchmark Company. Your line is open.

[Dan Kurnos:]

Great. Thanks. Good evening, guys. Maybe just talk about the DTC sub trends. Obviously, you finished the year strong. I don’t know if you guys got 1 million on DTC on -- especially on the domestic side. And maybe just help us think about kind of the balance of the year, some of the puts and takes. There’s stimulus, and a lot of people are talking about that driving sort of an uptake in that slot. Obviously, you guys have the annual pricing. So, that will mitigate some of the benefits in the back half of the year. But, in terms of upside to targets, where do you think that goes? And kind of maybe counterbalance that, if you will, on the corporate side, either progress or how you think about how the reopening kind of impacts the way that you consider that bucket? Thanks.

[Clint Stinchcomb:]

Thank you, Dan. I’ll take it and then yield to Jason. I think, the opening trends are a real positive for us, especially as it relates to our third-party businesses. As you mentioned, we had great growth in our direct service over the course of last year. And based on what we’ve seen so far this year, we don’t see that slowing down. But, what we do see -- where we do see opportunity is with the world opening up. I mean, I can tell you, I’m -- personally, I’m my way to South Florida later this week, was a big media community in Miami, and then I’m headed to L.A. next week where more is opening up out there. So, I think, just that general trend of being able to sit down and community with people and share our story as it relates to our third-party partners. That’s only positive for us. And as things open up more internationally, that will be only more positive there. So, that’s an excellent trend for us, and we’re optimistic that it’ll only have a positive impact on our direct business as well.

[Jason Eustace:]

The only thing I’d add there is that we continue to see the growth that we saw coming out of third quarter, continuing into fourth quarter and then continuing into the first part of 2021. It’s strong continued growth on that direct side of our business. So, nothing’s really changed. And so, even with the overall larger economic profile changing, things opening up, it has not negatively impacted our business.

[Dan Kurnos:]

Great. Maybe you’ll see some tailwinds with some of the stimulus money coming through. And then, just on the program sales and advertising, I know it still makes sense. You talked about kind of the back half of the year phenomenon. Just maybe some of the conversations you’re having, obviously again stimulus should play a big role in this. And I know it’s -- you guys are kind of developing your sort of the go-to-market and how this is going to play out. But there’s clearly a huge demand for content, and there’s obviously a big demand for advertising that probably ramps as the year goes on. So, just any incremental color you can give on how you see that shaping up over the year would be helpful. Thank you.

[Clint Stinchcomb:]

Yes. On the brand side, I would say that we hired a great leader for our brand partnerships business last year, Nate Stamos from -- spent the majority of his career at Time Inc. And I think he’s sold a lot of feed since he started. And all of those conversations and meetings that he’s had, will begin to bear fruit as he kind of executes on a lot of what is Devin Emery’s vision for how we maximize brand partnerships. So, we definitely see that business growing. And then, as it relates to program sales, the nice thing about that business is, we conduct it two ways. One is through some modest library programming sales in parts of the world where it can be promotional for us or not going to cause any heartburn to our other businesses. And then, we also engage in presales constructs, which gives us a lot of visibility into revenue that is going to hit 6 to 9 to 12 months down the line just because of the nature of production. But, the fact that we’re in the factual space has enabled us to continue to produce content right through the pandemic. We haven’t had any of the issues that are nearly the issues that most of the scripted companies have. So, we’ve got some great partners there, meaningful media companies who are excited about the -- working with us over the long term as well.

[Operator:]

Your next question comes from the line of Laura Martin with Needham. Your line is open.

[Laura Martin:]

Hi, there. Can you hear me okay, guys?

[Clint Stinchcomb:]

Perfectly, Laura.

[Laura Martin:]

Great. So, you said that sub growth was driven by international. So, I’m curious as to what international revenue was as a percent in Q4? And when you gave us the projection for next year, can you give us a size, the international component of that? Is that growing, or is it staying the same in terms of percent of total revenue contribution?

[Clint Stinchcomb:]

So, international -- so obviously, our direct business grew a lot. Majority of our direct subscribers came from the U.S. Majority of our bundle subscribers came from international. And so, what I can tell you on -- what I can tell you on a year-over-year basis is our international -- yes, our international revenue grew by 7 points year-over-year. And that -- I mean, we see that -- that’s a growing trend for sure. And majority of our direct subscribers today are in the U.S., the slight majority of our bundled subscribers are outside the U.S., but over time, revenue and subscribers to be dominated internationally.

[Laura Martin:]

Okay, cool. And then, my recollection is about 30% of your library hours are owned by you 100%, and then 70% is licensed. So, was that the numbers -- were those numbers stable in Q4? And when you look out to Q4 of next year, do you expect any shift to that given your aggressive content creation planning for 2021?

[Clint Stinchcomb:]

We like that mix, and we’ll continue to do more and better great originals. At the same time, we have a lot of excellent relationships around the world and we see a lot of great content that’s available for acquisitions that we can acquire really palatable and efficient rate, sometimes as part of broader deals. So, we anticipate that mix to stay about the same.

[Laura Martin:]

And also, how long are those deals, are they five-year deals?

[Clint Stinchcomb:]

three to five-year deals, then it comes to acquisitions, typically.

[Operator:]

Your next question comes from the line of Jim Goss with Barrington Research. Your line is open.

[Jim Goss:]

Thanks. You mentioned a couple of the key programming areas you’ve developed, such as POMPEII. And I’m wondering how you are planning to use this unique programming to build subscribers, and in which areas do you think they would focus in relative to DTC and bundled and program sales, et cetera?

[Clint Stinchcomb:]

The short answer is, as we’re in the content monetization business, we look to monetize across multiple platforms of businesses. But, I think, it’s a great question that you asked, Jim. And I’m going to have Devin speak to it a little bit more as it relates to the direct business.

[Devin Emery:]

Yes. So, the tent pole program is a key part of our overall marketing that goes right alongside kind of what is our conceptual marketing, right? So, we’re out there telling people what for CuriosityStream is, and then we’re able to use these tent pole programs to drive people in specifically for programs. So you’ll see us promote that across all of our channels, and then you’ll also see us promote that on -- specifically on platforms where we can drop people directly into some of our tent poles and then get them to sign up and stay with us. So, I would say that the majority of our marketing tends to be focused on what CuriosityStream is, the concept of what we are, the full value that you get in terms of the library of the platforms. And then, we’re able to use POMPEII and our other great tent poles like HISTORY OF HOME for more targeted and interest specific marketing that we do.

[Jim Goss:]

But, I know you are trying to build visibility. And, are there ways you can promote this programming to attract the attention, aside from the bundled distribution that you’re looking at and say the corporate and educational subscriptions that you’re using to create some of that visibility? Are there certain areas where you think you can do that especially with this higher profile of content that I think you’re drawing attention to? And you also mentioned the blockchain and connected fitness, very interesting, a unique take on things that occurred. How might those tie into all these processes as well?

[Devin Emery:]

Yes. So, that’s a good point. And yes, we are doing that. So, a good example of that is what we did with HISTORY OF HOME, right? So, we had Nick Offerman attached to that. It made for a really great opportunity to use him, use the show to specifically market that show. And he has a lot of love, right? People really like Nick Offerman, they like everything that he’s in. So, we’re able to use that to hit that group of people, right? So, you heard his voice on the radio. You saw him and heard him on television slots as well as social. So, yes, when we have shows like that, which we have more and more of, we do create show-specific campaigns that are able to leverage the talent involved and that are able to leverage the strength of the programming. So, we’re absolutely doing that. We’ll continue to do more and more of that. Clint, do you want to take the second part?

[Clint Stinchcomb:]

Well, I would say we -- I mean, we actually have a feature dock this year that we’ll put marketing resources behind it. But, Dave also wants to premier it there, just to give you a sense of the scope and scale of some of the projects that we’re working on. So, we recognize, we’re not a hit reliant service or hit reliant business. But obviously, if we can find more and bigger content that resonates cultural guys, that will only have a positive impact on the business.

[Jim Goss:]

Okay. And maybe one last one. Maybe this is way off base. But, we look at the theatrical exhibitors and studios also. And with the changes in windows, it’s creating a focus on blockbusters, which could create some void on the smaller end of the film releases. Do you think there’s any of the content you’re creating that could play a role in filling some of that void that you could release theatrically, especially since you’re creating in very high quality?

[Clint Stinchcomb:]

I think the answer is we have the quality to be able to do that. And what it would come down to is the business case there.

[Operator:]

Your next question comes from the line of Logan Thomas with Stifel. Your line is open.

[Logan Thomas:]

First question is just relating to the pace of investments and particularly related just to the -- over the next 12 months, how you’re thinking about prioritizing investing across these multiple growth areas and all revenue streams, multiple monetization streams that you talk about that’d be helpful just to frame that up for how investors should think about the pace of investments and how aggressive you want to go after these areas?

[Clint Stinchcomb:]

Yes. It’s a great question. And I think that we continue to see great growth with our direct service. And we are supremely confident that if we allocate more marketing and promotional resources to that, we can continue to grow it at a really meaningful level. And so, I think that we’re always in conversations with the Board about whether or not it makes sense -- whether or not it makes sense to really put our foot on the gas there, kind of beyond the plan that we’re operating under right now. So, we’re focused on hitting our year-end target. And we’re obviously supremely confident in that. Would we love to potentially spend a little bit more money on the marketing and promotional side to grow that direct business? The answer is yes. I mean, also because we think we have some -- we have price elasticity, as it relates to that. So, it’s just -- it’s something that we continually look at and continually view.

[Logan Thomas:]

Okay. That makes sense. And just one other question, if I can, on the 80% committed. And I think you spoke -- Jason spoke to this a bit. But just to tie it up, as we think about it, the 80% committed coming from the direct annual subscribers, active life in agreements with distributors, committed program, sales. Are there any other sort of chunky items in there that investors should be thinking about in order to kind of bridge to that 80% level from the current run rate?

[Jason Eustace:]

Yes. I think, the one thing that you have to kind of take into consideration is that we do have the two newer lines of revenue with that program sales and the brand sponsorship side, which is going to kind of create kind of a little bit more of a lumpy quarter-to-quarter cadence. So, you’re going to have sequential potentially down quarters and some that can have big swings after the -- one after the next as well just because some of those program sales deals can be quite substantial or some of the brand sponsorships can be. And so, as those mature, we’ll get to a more run rate business. But, we’ll definitely hit our full year numbers of $71 million. We definitely are 80% committed. Certain lines of business, we do have a greater line of visibility, like the direct -- like you articulated on the direct, the partner direct, the recurring contracts we have on the distribution side. But, there still remains the go get on top of that within certain of those lines of business as well.

[Operator:]

Your next question comes from the line of Tom Forte with D.A. Davidson. Your line is open.

[Tom Forte:]

Great. Thanks for taking my question. And congrats on the quarter. I had one question and one follow-up. So the first question is, you talked about the reopening of basically everything. So, to what extent, if at all, was your production negatively impact by COVID, and if it was impacted, where do things stand today?

[Clint Stinchcomb:]

The good news, Tom, is that we produced right through COVID and we premiered new programming right through COVID. Now, you need to get a little creative in certain cases. And so, some of the productions that we were in, the pacing extended a little bit. We did some interviews over Zoom as compared to doing them in person as people weren’t comfortable, sitting with the camera crew. And so, I would say that we learned a lot. And we even got a little bit more efficient in certain cases. And so, I would say that going forward, it’s only getting better. That said, there are a few pockets -- few places internationally, where it’s still a little bit difficult. But, in light of the flexibility that we have around production schedules and in light of the fact that, again, we’re in the factual space and not the scripted space, we’re confident that everything that we’re working on will continue to go according to plan and deliver around the times that we’re anticipating will all deliver. Does that answer your question, Tom?

[Tom Forte:]

It does. I knew that you had some advantages as far as you weren’t dependent on large numbers of actors and things of that nature that work in our favor. I just wasn’t sure to what extent you were still disrupted. Okay. So, the second question I had was as more subscription video-on-demand or hybrid subscription video-on-demand, advertising video-on-demand services come online, do you think that’s had any impact at all on your viewership?

[Clint Stinchcomb:]

Yes. I feel like we’re running our own race. I mean, there’s more content to watch every day, on all kinds of platforms. I mean, you mentioned these AVOD platforms. If you look deep into the AVOD platforms, the companies that own the AVOD and SaaS platforms, whether that’s Fox or Viacom, or Samsung, or whomever, they’re making a lot of money. And certainly some of the programming partners are doing well there. But, there’s a lot of content on those services that just is not getting watched and kind of hash marks as it relates to the rating. So, for us, we really, there’s always going to be more content produced. I mean, that’s just kind of -- that’s the nature of the business. That’s the trend. And so, that’s why we’re focused on maintaining a premium brand position as the leading factual content provider. We feel like we do that. And we continue to run our own rates and execute on the plan that we have, everything is going to work out well.

[Tom Forte:]

Great. If I have time, I want to ask one more question. So, anecdotally, I’ve enjoyed a lot of the content on the platform. You talked about the Lincoln material you had. It was excellent. You have great stuff on big cats that my children enjoy. Is it still the case that your viewership is widely spread out, meaning no one individual title or a handful of titles represents a dominant portion of your viewership?

[Devin Emery:]

That’s correct. Our product overall is very widely accessible, very widely loved. And then, what we find is that people use it in different ways, right? So, by being very broad, we can capture a large percentage of the market. But, what we are focused on here, from a content and product perspective as well, as people use it in kind of their own individualized way and as different cohorts use it in different ways, we can also adjust our products to be able to make it easier to do so, right? So, an easy example of this is CuriosityKIDS. So, kids are using our product, we can make it feel and look that interacts slightly different with different programming than if their parents are, so even in the same household. So to answer your question, yes, it’s still very broad base. But we can continually do more and more to engage each different demographics exactly based on the behavior that they’re displaying on our platform.

[Operator:]

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today’s conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.