Euronet Worldwide, Inc.
Q1 2021 Earnings Call Transcript

Published: 30 Apr 2021

[Operator:]

Greetings and welcome to the Euronet Worldwide First Quarter 2021 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speakers’ presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. It's now my pleasure to introduce your host Mr. Scott Claassen, General Counsel for Euronet Worldwide. Thank you. Mr. Claassen, you may begin.

[Scott Claassen:]

Thank you. Good morning and welcome everyone to Euronet's quarterly results conference call. We'll present our results for the first quarter of 2021 on this call. We have Mike Brown, our Chairman and CEO; Rick Weller, our CFO; and Kevin Caponecchi CEO of our epay division on the call.

[Mike Brown:]

Thank you, Scott, and good morning and thank you, everyone, who is joining us today. I'll begin my comments on slide number five. While I'm excited to be here this morning to talk to you about some pretty spectacular results, despite the backdrop of the ongoing COVID pandemic. At this time last year, we were sitting here talking to you about border closings and lockdowns in countries all around the globe, with a lot of uncertainty as to where things were going to go. We were pleased today to be updating you on two of our segments who have delivered exceptional double-digit adjusted EBITDA growth in three quarters since the call a year ago. And we are finally able to discuss border openings and things returning to something closer to normal, albeit unevenly, with India still shut down amid rising cases there, slower reopenings in Europe and faster in the U.S. As you read in our press release our epay and money transfer segments produced extremely strong double-digit year-over-year adjusted EBITDA growth in the first quarter. These exceptional results were made possible by our historical focus on building our physical networks with leading retailers and banks around the globe, as well as the investments we have made to develop our leading-edge technology, which enabled us to accelerate our digital growth plans to meet our customers' needs in the midst of the pandemic. Our more than 125% and more than 80% year-over-year digital transaction growth in money transfer and epay respectively is evidence of our success in selling our products through digital channels. And of course, none of this would have been possible without our strong balance sheet, which has not only sustained us, but allowed us to continue to invest in our mission to connect the world's one transaction at a time.

[Rick Weller:]

Thanks Mike and good morning everyone. I too would like to welcome you to this first quarter earnings call. I will begin my comments on slide 12. I think it's worth repeating that we continue to make the most of every opportunity that we have been presented, which is reflected in another quarter of impressive results particularly out of the epay and Money Transfer segments. And as we discussed, as we move through 2020, it is really the strength of our balance sheet that has afforded us the opportunity to make the investments that in turn produce such strong results. As you can see here, we ended the fourth quarter with more than $1.1 billion in cash and about $940 million of availability on our revolver. You may recall we shared with you that at -- in year-end, we borrowed on our revolver for treasury management purposes and repaid it shortly after the start of the New Year. This paydown is reflected in the change in both cash and debt on this slide. Next slide please. Slide 13 now. For the first quarter we reported revenue of $652.7 million, operating income of $10.4 million, and adjusted EBITDA of $52.2 million. The better-than-expected revenue growth rate was the result of stronger-than-expected revenue production in the epay and Money Transfer segments. These results might have been a little better, but for the imposed lockdowns across Europe toward the end of the latter part of the quarter, which resulted in fewer of our higher-value travel-related transactions. We delivered adjusted EPS of $0.23 a share, compared to $0.55 in the prior year. On slide 14. EFT transactions grew 18% driven by increased point-of-sale transactions in Europe and a large volume of low-value payment processing transactions for an Asia-Pacific, customers bank wallet, and e-commerce platform partially offset by the more valuable tourist transactions as a result of COVID lockdowns across Europe. epay transactions grew 49%, primarily driven by continued digital media transaction growth across our markets, with particularly strong growth from customers in South America and Asia, who have a high volume of low-value transactions sold through digital channels. As we turn to Money Transfer, we were quite pleased to see that our most profitable Money Transfer transactions that is US outbound and international outbound transactions grew 28% and 27% respectively. These were partially offset by declines in US domestic transactions, which netted to 14% growth overall for the segment. On slide 15, we show our results on an as-reported basis. Year-over-year currencies in most of the major markets we operate increased in the mid to upper single-digit range with a few anomalies, including the Brazilian real which declined 19%, and the Australian dollar which increased 17%. To normalize the impact of currency fluctuations we have presented our results on a constant currency basis on the next slide. I'm now on slide 16. EFT revenue declined 43%, operating income declined to 851%, and adjusted EBITDA declined 163% driven by the pandemic induced impact of lower domestic and international ATM transactions in Europe and Asia, especially high-value cross-border transactions across Europe. epay revenue grew 33%, operating income grew 67% and adjusted EBITDA grew 61% driven by continued strength in digital media content and mobile sales through digital channels and certain customer promotion activity, which is recognized as revenue on a gross basis and accordingly more significantly contributes to revenue, but less to gross profit. Money Transfer revenue. Operating income and adjusted EBITDA grew 17%, 47% and 34% respectively. These strong growth rates were the result of growth in the US and international outbound transactions of 28% and 27% respectively partially offset by declines in the US domestic business. Revenue and operating income grew faster than transactions as a result of a shift in the mix of lower-value domestic to higher-value cross-border transactions and the leveraging of a closely managed operating cost structure. Overall, it's worth repeating that we are pleased with these very strong double-digit growth rates out of epay and Money Transfer. It is difficult to compare the EFT results with those of last year where we had two months of normal activity before the complete lockdown in March. While this year we had many of our transaction closed and faced reimposed lockdowns towards the end of the quarter. However, we look forward to better results in the coming quarter, as we reopen our ATMs and Europe prepares to welcome both EU and non-EU travelers. Despite the good news of Europe reopening and studies indicating people are ready to travel, it is difficult to estimate to what level and at what speed tourism will return and the borders of Asia remain closed. Accordingly, we will refrain from giving official guidance. However, we think it is important to provide you a couple of data points to help frame your expectations. We would expect second quarter consolidated revenue to be in the 30% to 35% growth range, compared to the same – to the prior year second quarter. From these revenue levels and with careful expense management actions, we expect second quarter EBITDA to be in the $75 million to $85 million range. With that I'll turn it back over to Mike.

[Mike Brown:]

Thank you, Rick. And as you can see, there's a lot to be excited about cautiously anyway. And with so much good news, it's inevitable that I will be asked, if we can continue to grow all three businesses as tourism returns? I will emphatically answer, yes. We will start to gain momentum in EFT as borders start to open and travel resumes. We had outstanding results in epay with three consecutive quarters of double-digit earnings growth. Our Money Transfer business momentum is accelerating, making these strong results sustainable for the long term and we continue to benefit from our technology and digital investments. So I am confident that we will be talking to you about some strong growth rates for many quarters to come. With that I'll be happy to take questions. Operator, will you please assist?

[Operator:]

Your first question is from Rayna Kumar with Evercore.

[Rayna Kumar:]

Thanks for taking my question. Some really helpful details you gave on just the two second quarter guidance. Could you help us understand, how your revenue and EBITDA growth could look by segment? And also specifically for EFT, what are the underlying assumptions you're making specifically for the second quarter on cross-border travel? Thank you.

[Mike Brown:]

Maybe I'll answer the second one first, let Rick answer the first one. So boy, I'll tell you, it is a challenge to try to figure out who's going to close and who's going to open next week or next month. And we got a bit of a surprise when things started to get a little bit better. And then we had the third or fourth wave, whatever it was in Europe, where we've got pretty much full lockdown in Europe. In March, which certainly contained the transactions we are hoping to achieve in this last quarter. So it is challenging. However, the economic realities are still there in Europe and these countries, particularly our biggest countries with our biggest estates of ATMs, which border on the Mediterranean. These countries can't afford to have a lockdown all summer. So they began even before the EU made its pronouncements to say, they're going to start to open mid-May to mid-June. So we kind of expect not a lot of EFT activity in the second quarter but nice activity in the third quarter. Of course, third quarter still won't be 2019's levels because there still are going to be some restrictions and some reticence to travel. But just based upon what we saw last year in the third quarter, where there were no prophylactic measures, no vaccines, people just ran out of the house and went on vacation and we saw for those 8.5 weeks we were open. It was nice transactions in some of those countries doing 50% of the 2019 transactions with only two weeks notice. So we're kind of thinking that the money and the transaction should be coming back in the third quarter. And so that's really – and not too much in the second quarter on EFT.

[Rick Weller:]

And Rayna, let's say just a little more discussion around the – let's call it revenue and EBITDA contributions in the second quarter. As we said it, we believe that, on a consolidated basis we'll be about 30% to 35%. And if you kind of look under the surface there you would see that that our EFT will be leading the way in that growth, which you would expect because one last year in the second quarter EFT was probably the single most significantly impacted by the lockdowns. And as we've shared with you this morning, we see with borders opening and expect some lift out of those transactions. I would – I think it would be fair to tell you that we're being a little cautious on exactly how quickly and how much that lift will come in the second quarter. Maybe six weeks ago we would have been a little bit more bullish because prior to seeing some of the reestablishment of some lockdowns. But then today we sit here and we see a lot more announcements about opening of the borders and the encouragement of people to travel, so that Europe can kind of capture a lot of that tourism revenue that they missed last year. So I'd say we're being a bit cautious there. But clearly the pace of revenue growth will be stronger in the second quarter for EFT. As it relates – and then I would tell you that the Money Transfer numbers are expected to be down the fairway in that range we gave followed by epay. All three of which are contributing nicely to that very sound double – strong double-digit growth. In terms of the EBITDA, as I said, I think we're being a little conservative there, which I believe is the right thing to do because it's just kind of hard to outguess, exactly when and how quickly the travel will return. If we were to see a more robust pickup in travel, I would think that we will see that flow right to the EBITDA line because, that's the one that will contribute the most lift in the second quarter as we see that. So, as Mike said, we're cautiously optimistic, yet conservatively viewing what we think will come out of the second quarter. But I would tell you that that's more of what's behind our thinking of maybe a little lighter second quarter on the EBITDA range and that is just the speed and velocity of cross-border transactions out of EFT.

[Rayna Kumar:]

That's extremely helpful. And the two follow-up questions to that. One, what is your ATM strategy as in what is your pace of ATM implementation in a post-COVID world since we're now getting there. And then separately, your epay business, 61% constant currency adjusted EBITDA growth. Was there anything unusual in the quarter? And could we -- or should we anticipate this type of strength to continue throughout the remainder of 2021?

[Mike Brown:]

Well, with respect to our ATM deployment strategy, we still see lots of opportunity. Our goal was to put in between 4,000 and 5,000 new ATMs this year worldwide. Some of those were going to go in Asia. So that's a little bit of a wildcard, but that might have only been call it 10% of those. Europe still looks strong for what we were expecting. We're also seeing this COVID thing has given kind of air cover you might say to a lot of the banks in Europe. They're using that as the excuse for closing branches. When branches close, ATMs disappear, offers us obviously less saturation than a given market. So that's good for us. So, we're still kind of on track to do what we promise.

[Rick Weller:]

And the comment with respect to epay, one is, I would always believe that 61% year-over-year growth is a hard measure to keep up with. But let's reflect on a couple of things. One, in the first quarter of last year, we did see some adverse impact because of COVID that came into it. In the early rounds of the lockdowns, lots of retailers were closed and things like that. And so we had kind of an impact in that first quarter. And I would tell you that that carried over somewhat into the second quarter, but we started seeing the lift come where you -- we had more sales of digital product going through digital channel, really helped us quite nicely. We launched a number of new distribution agreements, primarily in the distribution space. As Mike shared with you, we opened up and launched more, big brand products, whether it was helping Microsoft launch stuff or it was launched in Google Play, et cetera. So throughout the year we've had some great channel expansion, as well as product expansion. And so, that gave us a little bit of that extra lift there in the first quarter. There wasn't anything unusual or onetime kind of items in the first quarter. So, I think it's really kind of comparing a very good quarter to a weaker quarter of last year. So, I think epay will continue to produce some very impressive results. But I wouldn't model them at 61%. I'd love to see that year after year, but I think I would have the expectation that they're going to be -- they're not going to be at 61%. But that's not to take anything away from the epay because I think the epay team has done a wonderful job on expanding geography, expanding distribution and expanding product and that all should lead to continuation of good results.

[Rayna Kumar:]

Fair enough. Thank you.

[Operator:]

Your next question is from Andrew Schmidt with Citi.

[Andrew Schmidt:]

Hey guys, thanks for taking the questions and appreciate the detailed commentary as usual. I wanted to also dig in a little bit on the epay segment. Historically, we've always thought about this as a mid- to upper single-digit grower, but it seems between your growth initiatives and post-COVID digitization this has stepped up fairly meaningfully. Would you agree with that? And are we thinking just structurally the epay segment more of a double-digit grower going forward? And then, I think along those growth vectors that you've outlined whether its geography, distribution and product, where do you see the most list potential? Thanks.

[Kevin Caponecchi:]

Hey Andrew, this is Kevin. So there's kind of two things happening. As we've reported historically, we've seen a pretty significant decline in mobile over the last five years. And mobile for epay has stabilized. And in fact, we're actually getting a little bit of growth on the mobile side. So, we no longer have that. As of now, we no longer have that drag that was on the business historically. And then second, to your point, everything that Mike and Rick talked about in terms of content expansion and channel expansion, they started to pay off. And I think it's a reasonable assumption to move us from a high single-digit to a double-digit growth income as part of the business in part because, some of these new channels that we've talked about are performing quite well and they're quite stable. And so, I think we've kind of hit an inflection point in epay and I continue to be optimistic about its future.

[Andrew Schmidt:]

That's great to hear. Very constructive. Thank you for that. And then, I appreciate the disclosure on the install ATMs versus the active ATMs really highlights the amount of -- the number of ATMs that are deactivated. Could you remind us, how quickly you can turn ATMs back on, should you see a tourism recovery? And is that something you would do, if you saw a recovery you would within kind of significant ATMs on?

[Mike Brown:]

So last year, just to give you an idea, when we entered the third quarter of last year, we had 11,500 ATMs you might call it COVID ties in the old days we got winterized. And -- but within two weeks we had 7500 of those turned on. We didn't need the other 4000 because the volumes weren't there of tourists. So it doesn't take long. And in fact they're all technically live. They just are decash. So what you just have to do is -- and that's a nice thing about having all of these on-the-ground offices around Europe. I mean we -- they know when the tourists are starting to show up at the turn places. And when they determined that this ATM now could potentially be profitable they -- it takes two days. That's it. You just put it into the queue to have the money delivery company bring the cash bring a cassette in and then it's live. So it's very, very fast.

[Andrew Schmidt:]

That’s great to hear guys. I will leave it there. Thank you very much.

[Operator:]

Your next question is from Peter Heckmann with Davidson.

[Peter Heckmann:]

Deposit network. We talked a little bit about that last quarter and a little bit more this quarter. But how should we think about Euronet monetizing that and being able to deposit billions of bank accounts in multiple countries as well. Today how much of the monetization of that deposit network is attached to another Euronet service like my transfer? And how much of it is occurring through maybe leasing that network to third parties?

[Mike Brown:]

I'm a little bit confused on your question but I'll do my best. Okay. So when we talk about that deposit network of roughly 3.6 billion accounts. This has been primarily all set up through the Money Transfer segment. When we very first started 15 years ago some of our bigger competitors at exclusives on cash payout in a number of these countries. And so we focused on bank account payout just so that we could add that those countries to the list. Since then, we've continued to grow that plus our physical presence but most all of those exclusives on payout have evaporated. And so, now we have 475,000 physical locations too. So most all of this was started within the Money Transfer segment and that's where most of it will be used obviously on person-to-person kind of money transfers.

[Peter Heckmann:]

Okay. But as regards to the potential around the move to real-time payments?

[Mike Brown:]

Okay. Okay. So that's a little bit different. So real-time payments we do -- we have two different products one is where we actually light up a whole central bank. A whole country where we are the central bank switched for real-time payment. And like we did that with Mozambique and we're working on other deals like that. But what we've also found is in the countries where there are real-time payment systems now, it's less than 30% of the banks in those respective countries have actually connected to the real-time payment system. And the reason being is because banks are sitting on 40-year-old technology. You almost can't find a bank on the planet that's got a piece of technology that wasn't architected at least 25 to 40 years ago. And so they've got a challenge of how do I get this old stuff to talk real time. And the old method of ISO standard was ISO 853 which was designed 40-plus years ago and that's kind of what they're used to. So we put in a REN Connect version. And it puts these tentacles deep into this bank's systems and allows it to go real time. In the real-time ISO version is called 20000 ISO 20022 and it's a real time much more robust connection than an ISO 8583. So that's kind of the language that the real-time payment systems use right now. And REN Connect does a great job of matching one to the other.

[Rick Weller:]

Yes. Pete, I would add that as we kind of take a look at the intersection of the assets across our segments here, this is where we start to see some real promise for the future because as Mike says, we've got our REN product which is the perfect design to accommodate the recent or the most innovative payment technology structures out there. We're not working with old technology. You've got new players coming into the market all the time fintech players et cetera. You've got people that are that have wallets that have other distribution platforms whether they're the likes of the Googles or the WeChat or the Alipays or whatever. And these folks all have interest to be able to get payments around the world. These payments could -- and as Mike said we're probably most likely initially come out of the consumer space, but can quite easily come from the business phase too, where they're paying vendors and talent and royalties and things like that. And so while today most of the enterprise value that we get from this comes from our Money Transfer business, we see that there's a lot of opportunity as we go across our consumer bases and our customer bases whether it be the digital platforms that we distribute through for epay or it's the technology platforms that we're installing in the EFT segment. So we see that there's a great deal of opportunity out there to enable other people to connect to get to 3.6 billion accounts.

[Peter Heckmann:]

Got it. That's helpful. And then just a housekeeping issue. But you talked about increasing some investment spending ahead of the close of the PBMA deal. Can you quantify that for the second quarter?

[Rick Weller:]

I wouldn't say it's necessarily any kind of extraordinary. It's just putting the right investments that we currently have in the run rate of our business into that.

[Peter Heckmann:]

Okay. Thank you.

[Operator:]

Your next question is from Tim Willi with Wells Fargo.

[Tim Willi:]

Hey, thank you and good morning everybody. I guess a couple -- one question I had around Money Transfer. I guess there are two here. First one, could you just talk about I guess the ongoing engagement and activity of the newly acquired digital customers that have joined over the last year. I mean is the retention strong? Do you see a churn issue, or are these people that once they've signed up they're taking on a…

[Mike Brown:]

I'm glad you asked that, question, Tim, because this is one of our big braggable points. Interesting, that you saw that our bricks-and-mortar business are basically our – most of our bricks-and-mortar business was growing 27%, 28% on international remittance, okay? And so obviously what people worry about is, when you do digital are you cannibalizing your current customers. We did another analysis just the other day just on last month, and it was something like 72% of our digital customers that came in, in that month were brand-new customers. So that would imply that 28%, were current customers that we may have been servicing through bricks and mortar. So we are cannibalizing a little bit. But still even though, we're cannibalizing we're growing 27% on top of that. And so what we've also found, and we've done – it's interesting, we've seen that having an omni-channel approach to this is advantageous because sometimes people might do this digitally, and then they might go into a brick-and-mortar merchant or bodega, or something and do the next transaction or some combination thereof. So having an omni-channel approach is excellent. But I'm telling you these are new customers coming in and that just grows our market share.

[Tim Willi:]

Yeah. Got it. That's great to hear.

[Rick Weller:]

And Tim, just – on the matter of retention, we continue to see strong loyalty to our brand consistent with what we see in our brick-and-mortar store. We provide a product that's quality secure delivered on time, all that type of stuff. So good retention from these – no different than we see in our other business.

[Tim Willi:]

Great. And my follow-up was around XE, which I think obviously most people focus on Ria. And just sort of thinking about XE, which was the high dollar sort of transactions when you originally bought it. With everything you got with the REN ecosystem and your global reach. Is there an opportunity, or is there something already going on within XE to think about sort of cross-border B2B payment engines? It just seems like that's something that came people would see fit?

[Mike Brown:]

So that's what XE does. And you're right. That's actually one of the benefits that accrue to us because of our real-time payments expertise. I just saw our report the other day, where three – we've lit up real-time payments with XE to three different countries. And those transactions were growing something like 20% month-on-month, okay? So once people understand they've got real-time payments, it gives XE an advantage of that a competitor B2B money transfer company does not have and we get the transaction. I mean, everybody wants to see their money land in the accounts, they're targeting instantly. I mean people – nowadays people think it should be like a text message and as opposed to the old swift way or something where you could wait three or four or five days, until the money actually hits the account. And during those days you never know exactly where it is on the ether of the worldwide financial networks.

[Tim Willi:]

Yeah. It just seems like that should be a nice reopening play as well –

[Mike Brown:]

Yes. And as we have more real-time payment options for us we'll see more transactions go that way. It's just inevitable.

[Tim Willi:]

Yeah. That's great. Thanks so much for the thoughts.

[Operator:]

Your next question is from Andrew Jeffrey with Truist Securities.

[Andrew Jeffrey:]

Hey, good morning, Mike and Rick. Thanks for taking the time. I'm not going to ask you to predict travel trends. But I do wonder, when I look at your EFT business at such point that cross-border volume recovers to a level comparable to 2019 for example. Is the cost structure materially different? Can margin in that business be higher at a return to peak traveler or peak cross-border volume?

[Mike Brown:]

And that's interesting. I would say, there's a couple of kind of things. So we were able to renegotiate some rents at some of the more expensive places, like maybe airports, or some of these deals to be more commensurate with the number of travelers who come. So we might get a little bit of a break there. But just in general costs do go up over time. So maybe, it's kind of an offset. I don't see a significant change in margin. But remember margin in our third quarter is always due to EFT, and it's because you have a much higher percentage of those higher dollar, higher profitable transaction than say in Q1. So if you can bring in more of those transactions, if we can continue to expand to the rest of the world like we're doing, we've announced Egypt, we announced Lithuania, we're in one country in Southeast Asia and want to open up a couple more. As those things come through then our margins would tend to migrate upwards. It's just a question of will rents and so forth on the cost side keep us in that kind of mid-30s margin or not. Did I get that math, right, Rick?

[Rick Weller:]

Yeah. I think certainly there's a little bit of benefit we'll have on the expense side, because of the restructuring of rates and things that we've done over this period of time. I think we've peeled off the less profitable ATMs. We've taken a number of those out of the mix. And so the quality of our – of our estate is increasing. But I think for your basic next box deployed, it will probably be in relatively the same kind of margin ranges and where we would expect to see the real margin expansion, would be continued leverage of putting more boxes in more countries. And not different than our success has been over the last 20, 25 years, it's all about getting more units in more countries, and more products on it. And as we do that, we'll continue to see our margin improve. But I wouldn't anticipate the margin lift to be dramatic because of cost saving initiatives we had over the last year.

[Andrew Jeffrey:]

Okay. That's helpful. Thank you. And Mike, obviously the growth in the agent network, the Money Transfer agent network is really impressive. Is there a point at which you think there are diminishing returns to growing received agents, or should we continue to see you just compound the growth?

[Mike Brown:]

Well I think the reality is it's a chicken and the egg thing. If you don't have ubiquitous payout, convenient payout for someone's love one to pick up their cash, you're going to do less transactions. But it is true. I mean, once you get to the point where we have almost 500,000 locations right now the next 100,000 won't be as productive as going from 100,000 to 200,000. But still, more ubiquity wins. And the other ubiquity thing on -- is really comes down to those bank accounts, because the future much of this future is going to be digital transfers. Many of these people are going to come from cash-based economies and still do cash. But when it comes to the digital stuff, digital transactions when you have roughly 3.6 billion connections. That's a big differential and a big asset.

[Rick Weller:]

Yeah. And let's not forget that we're playing an incredibly huge market here, okay? And we've got a small percentage of the total market and we've got a key competitor that's sizably bigger than us. And so there's a lot of opportunity out there. So I think as -- and I would also maybe venture to argue that who says that the right number of networks is -- locations is 550,000. Well maybe it's one million, I don't know. But what we have been all about is again opening up new markets, more places and getting out more products. And so given that we're a -- right now, we've got a meaningful, but still small piece of an incredibly big market. We're still not number one, but certainly we'll get there someday. And there's more channels to go through too. There's more players getting into the market that weren't there. Fintech players and things like that. And so there'll be other ways that we can use our network. So yeah, as Mike said, there's probably some level of diminishing return there. But I think we still need -- we're still pushing to see where that is and we've not found the top yet.

[Mike Brown:]

And our partners like PayPal and Remitly have recognized this asset is something you just can't buy. And -- but they can rent it from us. So I think more -- you'll see more and more partners like them, basically say we've got the best network. We want to have ubiquity and we can make a little bit of money on those transactions too. Yeah. One more question please operator. Thank you.

[Rick Weller:]

We lost you operator. Operator, you're breaking up.

[Operator:]

Your last question is from Andrew Baaj with Wolfe Research.

[Mike Brown:]

Okay.

[Unidentified Analyst:]

Hey, gentlemen. Congrats on a pretty sound quarter despite a challenging environment here. One housekeeping question. In EFT, you put a pretty sound transaction growth of $925 million which was up 18% relative to the trend of low double-digits. I mean, understanding that this is probably driven by a lot of domestic. I mean what's really working there? Because I think that that number would suggest some real engagement within the base and potentially new ways to monetize that network?

[Rick Weller:]

Yeah. Good question. And absolutely. And I think here's where you see the interplay of our technology in driving transactions in our business. These high volume of transactions is the result of us getting our REN technology into these new environments that are connected to real-time payment engines and things like that. So we're playing a role of bringing together this high volume of transaction processing in these new environments. So while these transactions are not highly valuable like we've historically seen in the Money Transfer I mean in the EFT segment, we're seeing the crossover between the delivery of our technology and getting to a vein of incredibly high-volume transactions that are all incrementally full bottom line profit when we get those installed. So that's really what's driving that.

[Unidentified Analyst:]

No it definitely should set up for a pretty nice flywheel effect when the high-value transactions come back. And my second follow-up is I know that we don't really have much to go off of here with regards to the cross-border EFT volumes. But any update on what you've seen from the DCC disclosure rules and any impact on your in testing environments that you've been working on there with regards to attach rates?

[Mike Brown:]

We've been adhering to all those rules I think 90% of the rules we always adhere to the new rules the only new rule that changed. We've been in here to since last year. Really haven't seen any impact past what we had expected and we communicated. So really kind of much to do about nothing.

[Unidentified Analyst:]

Understood. .

[Mike Brown:]

All right. Very good. And let everybody operator, I think we'll end now and I would like to thank everybody for taking your time this morning. We look forward to hopefully we have some more exciting news and 90 days from now.

[Operator:]

And this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.