First American Financial Corporation
Q3 2022 Earnings Call Transcript

Published: 27 Oct 2022

[Operator:]

Greetings, and welcome to the First American Financial Corporation Third Quarter Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A brief question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. A copy of today's press release is available on the First American's website at www.firstam.com/investor. Please note that the call is being recorded and will be available for replay by entering the -- I'm sorry, from the company's investor website and for a short time by dialing [phone] or [phone] and entering the conference ID 13733443. I'll now turn the conference over to Craig Barberio, Vice President, Investor Relations, to make an introductory statement.

[Craig Barberio:]

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to First American's earnings conference call for the third quarter of 2022. Joining us today on the call will be our Chief Executive Officer, Ken DeGiorgio; and Mark Seaton, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Some of the statements made today may contain forward-looking statements that do not speak strictly to historical or current facts. These forward-looking statements speak only as of the date they are made, and the company does not undertake to update forward-looking statements to reflect circumstances or events that occur after the date the forward-looking statements are made. Risks and uncertainties exist that may cause results to differ materially from those set forth in these forward-looking statements. For more information on these risks and uncertainties, please refer to this morning's earnings release and the risk factors discussed in our Form 10-K and subsequent SEC filings. Our presentation today contains certain non-GAAP financial measures that we believe provide additional insight into the operational efficiency and performance of the company relative to earlier periods and relative to the company's competitors. For more details on these non-GAAP financial measures, including presentation with and reconciliation to the most directly comparable GAAP financials, please refer to morning's earnings release, which is available on our website at www.firstam.com. I would now like to turn the call over to Ken DeGiorgio.

[Ken DeGiorgio:]

Thank you, Craig. The slowing economy and rapid increase in mortgage rates continued to pressure our residential title business. Despite the challenging market conditions, we achieved revenue of $1.8 billion and earnings per diluted share of $0.02 or $1.62 per share, excluding net investment losses. In our title segment, we delivered a pre-tax margin of 9.9% or 13%, excluding net investment losses Two key factors, along with our continued focus on expense management, favorably impacted our third quarter financial results. First, our commercial business continued its strong performance, and we remain on track to deliver another record year; second, we continue to capture the benefit of higher interest rates at our bank, on other escrow and tax deferred exchange balances and in our investment portfolio. This quarter, investment income in our title segment increased to $105 million, up 114% compared to last year. Based on the current forward curve for Fed funds and assuming escrow balances remain at current levels, we believe investment income in our title segment could be $600 million in 2023. Mark will go into greater detail concerning these assumptions. Refinance has been declining since early last year, so it's now near trough levels and no longer a significant contributor to our financial results. Our open purchase orders were down 23% this quarter, with orders declining each month throughout the quarter. And so far in October, this trend has continued with purchase order -- open orders down approximately 35% compared to last year. As we discussed on our last call, we remain committed to investing in strategic initiatives that support our company's long-term growth and operational efficiency despite their near-term impact on profitability. Our initiative to deliver instant title decisioning for purchase transactions and Endpoint, our digital title and settlement company continue to make progress. ServiceMac, our mortgage sub-servicing business, is rapidly achieving scale, and we now expect ServiceMac will be profitable in the final quarter of the year, a significant improvement from the $11 million pre-tax losses booked in the second quarter. Despite the challenging environment ahead of us, we believe the company is well positioned to emerge from this cycle even stronger. The market has shifted away from refinance towards purchase and commercial transactions, which is where we are stronger. And consequently, we are growing our market share. We are also the only title company that has a bank, which enables us to better capitalize on higher interest rates. Our strong balance sheet will allow us to continue to invest in key strategic initiatives, pursue acquisitions as well as return capital to shareholders. I note that since the beginning of this year, we have repurchased approximately 7% of our shares outstanding as of the end of last year. In closing, I want to thank our employees for all their hard work and accomplishments as we navigate our way through a difficult market. Relationships are key to our business, and it's our talented and dedicated people, who provide the connection to our customers that ultimately drives our company's success. Given the importance we place on our workplace culture, I'm proud that First American was recently named one of the Best Workplaces for Women by Great Places to Work and Fortune Magazine for a seventh consecutive year. Now, I'd like to turn the call over to Mark for a more detailed discussion of our financial results.

[Mark Seaton:]

Thank you, Ken. I'll begin with commentary on this quarter's results, followed by a discussion of a few key topics, including our venture portfolio, our outlook for investment income and the financial impact of a few of our strategic initiatives. This quarter, we earned $0.02 per diluted share. Included in this quarter's results, were $1.60 of net investment losses. Excluding these losses, we earned $1.62 per diluted share. Three items contributed to our net investment losses this quarter

[Operator:]

Thank you. We’ll now be conducting a question-and-answer session. Our first question comes from the line of John Campbell with Stephens Inc. Please proceed with your question.

[John Campbell:]

Hey guys, good morning.

[Ken DeGiorgio:]

Good morning John.

[John Campbell:]

Mark, I think you said it twice, I want to make sure, you said $600 million in title investment income for next year?

[Mark Seaton:]

That's right. That's assuming that the forward curve plays out like it's expected to and our escrow balances remain at current levels. As that happens, we should be around $600 million. That's right.

[John Campbell:]

Yes. I mean I think even where consensus sits right now, I don't -- you could probably see much less of those hikes and probably lower deposit level and you're still going to be way above that. So, nice work there. On the severance expense, could you talk today to the annualized kind of run rate savings from that? And then just as we think about the market, if it sours a little bit from here, maybe the actions you guys would be looking to take?

[Mark Seaton:]

I would just say we've reduced our headcount in places that are being affected by the residential markets. We had $6 million of severance this quarter. I think we had $5 million last quarter. So, that's just stuff that we continue to have our eyes on.

[Ken DeGiorgio:]

Yes. John, I'll add. I mean, this obviously isn't the first downturn we've seen in 130-plus years, and we're highly focused on expense management, that we started on expense management when we saw the downturn coming very early this year. And we will continue to calibrate our expenses to the market.

[John Campbell:]

Okay. Makes sense. And then just kind of thinking about the industry here. I mean, I saw the rule changes from Fannie and Freddie around the acceptance of the attorneys, I think in letter -- you guys have seen some -- I guess we've seen some smaller proptech players, kind of, launching new offerings. And then a couple of weeks ago, I think it was United Wholesale talked about ramping up its own offering and then also originate mortgages without the lenders title insurance. I'm just curious about how you guys are viewing that? Is that more noise, or is it something that you're going to look to address?

[Ken DeGiorgio:]

Yes, yes. I mean it's a good question. I mean I think, obviously, they've -- these attorney opinion letters generated a lot of press. But I don't think -- so far, we haven't really seen much of an impact. But obviously, we're monitoring it closely. I think that once lenders and the GSEs appreciate the limitations of AOLs, I mean some of the things we've seen, for example, that have to prove negligence against lawyers, which is hard to do. There might be a statute of limitations. It's not clear if the coverage is for the life of a loan. And I think the biggest thing is there's no cost of defense in some of these -- in most of these policies, all these policies we've seen, which is interesting because I think they were originally built to help low and moderate income borrowers who actually are probably the least able to bear the costs associated with defending title. So, we're watching it, but so far, it hasn't been really impactful.

[John Campbell:]

Okay, that’s helpful. Thank you guys.

[Ken DeGiorgio:]

Thanks John.

[Operator:]

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Mark DeVries with Barclays. Please proceed with your question.

[Mark DeVries:]

Yes, thanks. I was hoping you could discuss what you're seeing in the commercial pipeline here, kind of relative areas of strength and weakness, how that's kind of been evolving in recent months? And also how that may differ from what we can see looking at the more visible kind of institutional larger side of the commercial real estate market.

[Ken DeGiorgio:]

I'll start, Mark, and then Mark can chime in if necessary. But I think as we had indicated, we had a very strong Q3. Our revenue was only down 1% compared to a very strong Q3 of 2021. So, I think that sort of bodes well for how we're going to go into the fourth quarter. And I think as Mark mentioned in his remarks, our escrow balances are up, which indicates a real -- a pretty strong pipeline. And we've seen strength in the third quarter across geographies and asset classes, and it's probably all the things you'd expect. Multifamily was doing very well, industrial and development site. Looking at into 2023, I think we probably see commercial coming off a bit, probably more towards what we would say our normalized levels. There's still some capital chasing deals but it is softening a bit. But again, keep in mind, when I say going towards more normal levels, we're coming off of a record-setting 2021, what we expect to be a record-setting 2022, but 2022 will beat 2021. So we think commercial will still be pretty strong next year.

[Mark DeVries:]

Okay. Got it. And then just turning back to the investment portfolio. Mark, are you looking to extend duration at all where you can -- to try and take advantage of the higher rates there?

[Mark Seaton:]

It's not part of our strategy. Our duration has extended. I mean, typically, when you look at it on a consolidated basis, our duration has been the low 4s and today, it's in the high 4s just because mortgages have extended. But I wouldn't say that's part of our strategy to go longer. The average duration of our liabilities is around five years, and so we feel pretty comfortable with where we are right now.

[Mark DeVries:]

Okay. Got it. And I think you qualified the investment income guidance around escrow deposits staying where they are. What do you think directionally? Are they -- just given all the different market dynamics, you see them more likely to held higher or lower kind of hold this level here?

[Mark Seaton:]

Well, there's a few different things at play, Mark. A roughly -- a rough number is about 70% of our escrow deposits are commercial related. So if commercial is down next year, everything else being equal, our escrow deposits be down. But the one thing that we have that offsets that is that, we're growing our deposits from third-party banks. We talked about ServiceMac. We've got $1 billion of subservicing deposits at our bank today and a year ago, it was zero. And we think that number will continue to grow, and that's going to help offset some of the potential softness that we might see. So those are two kind of competing things, we'll have to kind of see how that plays out over the next couple of years.

[Mark DeVries:]

Okay. That’s helpful. Thank you.

[Operator:]

Our next question comes from the line of Mark Hughes with Truist Securities. Please proceed with your question.

[Mark Hughes:]

Yes. Thank you. Appreciate it. Mark, you mentioned that the -- you have the potential to possibly capture another $185 million in investment income, if you got the full benefit of the higher rates. Is that -- if we assume your duration is in the high 4s and the portfolio is turning over, normally, you capture 20%, 25% of that maybe over the coming 12 months. Am I thinking about that properly?

[Mark Seaton:]

I think that's the right way to think about it, yes. So the $600 million that we talked about, that's just variable. I mean that's just assuming that Fed raise isn't all like our cash balances and our variable rate securities will reset pretty immediately. But we also have this fixed income portfolio, it just takes longer. And so that's what that $185 million is. And given the duration of high 4s, roughly 20% to 25% of that will turn over every year. And that is – so that would be a benefit that's in addition to the $600 million.

[Mark Hughes:]

And then did you give order trends so far for October? You've given some good general thoughts about the outlook, but did you give any specific numbers for October?

[Mark Seaton:]

In October, our purchase orders, our open purchase orders are down 38% -- sorry, 35%, 35% relative to last year. Our refinance orders are about $400 a day and that's up down 73% from last year.

[Mark Hughes:]

And then anything on the commercial side?

[Mark Seaton:]

Commercial side, our open orders are down about 30% relative to last year.

[Mark Hughes:]

And then in the -- I think I thought you had still a $10 million loss from the reserve strengthening on the P&C business. What's the magnitude of the reserves that are still left over there? And you think this catches all that or is there still potential for more?

[Mark Seaton:]

Right now, we've got about $20 million in reserves for our P&C business and it's at the final stages of winding down. So we're looking into next year, the losses will be negligible.

[Mark Hughes:]

Yes. Okay. All right. Thank you very much.

[Mark Seaton:]

Thanks, Mark.

[Operator:]

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Bose George with KBW. Please proceed with your question.

[Bose George:]

Hey, guys. Good morning.

[Mark Seaton:]

Good morning.

[Bose George:]

From a share buyback perspective, does the increase in your leverage because of your negative AOCI marks create any constraints, or do you look through those marks? And in your comments, you noted that the banks look through those as well.

[Mark Seaton:]

I wouldn't say it creates any constraints. I mean, obviously, every company has some constraints, but looking at our debt to cap at 22% now, that's a really comfortable place to be. It gives us a lot of flexibility to execute any buyback or any strategies we might have.

[Bose George:]

Okay. So that makes sense. But basically, the question was will you focus more on the leverage AOCI marks when you're making those positions?

[Mark Seaton:]

That's right.

[Bose George:]

Okay, great. And then actually switching over to the -- you noted that the Endpoint and ServiceMac drag on the margins was, I guess, its like a 100 basis points this quarter. How do you see that trending over the next few quarters?

[Mark Seaton:]

When you look at them all together, we think it's going to just keep getting better. I mean we're really pleased with how ServiceMac is progressing. They're going to breakeven here in the fourth quarter, and we feel like they're well on their way to profitability next year, and that doesn't include any benefit that we get at the bank for their deposits, too. So it's hard to say where that 100 basis points is going to go. But we feel pretty confident that the losses will narrow in the fourth quarter and continue to narrow into next year.

[Bose George:]

Okay. Great. Thank you.

[Mark Seaton:]

Thanks, Bose.

[Operator:]

Thank you. Our next question is a follow-up from the line of John Campbell with Stephens Inc. Please proceed with your question.

[John Campbell:]

Hey, guys. Thanks for the follow-up. I just wanted to jump back to the Specialty Insurance segment, mainly on just home warranty. Two-part question though. First, I'm just curious about how to kind of think about the growth path from here. I know the real estate channel is a pretty important kind of driver of that growth. I wanted to check maybe on the health of the other channels and then also just kind of get an update on pricing? And then the second part of that, just curious about pre-tax margin just for home warranty. I think last year, it was around 13%. I think you've seen that a bit higher in past years. So just kind of what -- how to think about a kind of good margin target there?

[Ken DeGiorgio:]

Yes. I'll start and then Mark can finish up on it. But we feel good about the home warranty company. I think as we noted, the revenue was down 3%, and that's largely driven by, as you indicated, that real estate channel. Anything that's tied to real estate transactions is going to suffer. But we have had an offset to the decline in real estate channel from prices. So we have been raising price, and there's some additional -- there's going to be some additional opportunities to raise price, and we'll do that. Also, we're getting a lot of traction in our direct-to-consumer channel. So that's performing well. And then we're also seeing renewal rates perform much better. So on the whole, we're pretty optimistic about where the home warranty company is going.

[Mark Seaton:]

Just in terms of the margins, John, this quarter, home warranty had a 6% margin, but it's typically -- it's a very seasonal business, and it's kind of seasonal to our title business. So typically, Q4 and Q1 are the most profitable quarter. So really, we think about it on an annualized basis, the home warranty business is 12% to 13-ish pre-tax margin.

[John Campbell:]

Okay. Excellent. Thank you guys.

[Mark Seaton:]

Thanks, John.

[End of Q&A:]

[Operator:]

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, there are no additional questions at this time. That concludes this morning's call. We'd like to remind listeners that today's call will be available for replay on the company's website or by dialing 877-660-6853 or 201-612-7415 and entering the conference ID number 13733443. The company would like to thank you for your participation. This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect your lines.