Fate Therapeutics, Inc.
Q4 2019 Earnings Call Transcript
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- Operator:
- Welcome to the Fate Therapeutics' Fourth Quarter 2019 Financial Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. This call is being webcast live on the Investors and Media section of Fate's website at fatetherapeutics.com. As a reminder, today's call is being recorded.I would now like to introduce Scott Wolchko, President and CEO of Fate Therapeutics.
- Scott Wolchko:
- Thank you. Good afternoon and thanks, everyone, for joining us for the Fate Therapeutics' fourth quarter 2019 financial results call. Shortly after 4
- Operator:
- Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Mara Goldstein from Mizuho. Please go ahead.
- Mara Goldstein:
- Great. Thank you. Can you hear me okay?
- Scott Wolchko:
- Yes. We can hear you.
- Mara Goldstein:
- Great. Thanks. So just a couple of questions. And the first is other than those first two initial patients treated from hematological conditions with FT516, will there be any others in that cohort? And then I'm just curious if you can speak to where FT538 would fit into the multiple myeloma world in a sort of anti-BCMA landscape? And also, given the fees from Ono this quarter, maybe you could just update us as to what's going on there?
- Scott Wolchko:
- Sure. I'll let Wayne answer the first two questions and then Dan can talk about Ono.
- Mara Goldstein:
- Thank you.
- Wayne Chu:
- So regarding the FT516 Phase I study, we continue to dose escalate in patients with acute myeloid leukemia treated with FT516 monotherapy and we continued dose escalation with patients with B-cell lymphomas were treated with FT516 in combination with rituximab. So both arms are continuing dose escalation in accordance to a standard three plus three dose escalation scheme.
- Scott Wolchko:
- And then myeloma with FT538β¦
- Wayne Chu:
- Yes. And then with respect to FT538 in multiple myeloma, it is β the thing is still evolving, but certainly in combination with daratumumab and other anti-CD38 monoclonal antibodies as we know, is a clinically validated target. We believe that we do have a place where FT538 can fit in the context of a myeloma landscape even with BCMA targeting agents.We know, for example, that there are examples where BCMA similar to CD19 in lymphomas is subject to antigen loss and alteration, which may render BCMA-targeting therapy as effective. And this is where our agents like FT538 in combination with anti-CD38 monoclonal antibodies or any other monoclonal antibodies for the treatment of myeloma may have a place in the treatment of [indiscernible].
- Daniel Shoemaker:
- Hi, this is Dan. So the Ono collaboration, again a four-year, two-product deal. We're 1.5 years into the collaboration. And again, one of the product can be built off the 819 backbone, where we'll put additional pitching to just further improve that product to get a best-in-class heme malignancy product.And then the second product, Ono provided a binder to a novel solid tumor target. And again, we're inserting that into our CAR T backbone and now adding additional edits to enhance the traffic in the persistence or recruitment in the tumor microenvironment.And again, that product is, they're both in development, the heme malignancy product is about a year ahead. And then the solid tumor because it will acquire additional edits as to take a little bit longer, but the collaboration is going great and we're making good progress along those lines.
- Mara Goldstein:
- All right. Thank you.
- Operator:
- Thank you. Our next question comes from Alethia Young from Cantor Fitzgerald. Please go ahead.
- Alethia Young:
- Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. I guess, two for me. One, can you just talk about potential partnership and collaborations? And how you think about that over 2020? I guess just kind of specifically would you consider things outside of your current like assets there were in the clinic and how do you think about structuring that?And then I just kind of wanted to get your perspective on FT819 and just some of the puts and takes around developing a CAR T-cell product? I mean, it's certainly not trivial science going on here. So I just wanted you to just kind of walk us through as we head into the second quarter for filing this IND things?
- Scott Wolchko:
- Sure. Iβd take both those questions and Wayne and Dan should feel free to jump in. With respect to partnerships, I mean we've discussed this before. Our intent certainly is to think about partnerships that have the potential to expand Fate's pipeline. We are not prioritizing for instance, the partnering of existing product candidates.We think we have the potential to partner up with companies β large pharmaceutical companies that are absolutely experts in discovering, identifying and validating novel targets, including in the space of solid tumors. And we would certainly be excited about partnering with those folks and incorporating their binding domains against novel targets into some of our more advanced iPS-derived backbones.So foreign cynics, an example could be, somebody has a novel target or a binding domain, which they have validated against target X and we could build a CAR construct and drop that CAR construct into the FT538 backbone. That would be something we're absolutely interested in exploring those types of partnerships where we have the potential to exploit our platform, bring that together with novel content and build product candidates together.
- Wayne Chu:
- With respect to FT819, yes, FT819 has been an ongoing journey and has been a collaboration that has been in existence with Memorial Sloan-Kettering since middle of 2016. And as you've suggested, the development of an off-the-shelf iPS-derived CAR T-cell is certainly more complex than developing a β iPS-derived NK-cell for a variety of reasons.But one reasons in particular is if you truly want to have a universal off-the-shelf CAR T-cell therapy, obviously the TCR that is inherent within a T-cell is [indiscernible] reactive and can cause very significant GvHD. And so in developing 819 and our off-the-shelf iPS-derived CAR T-cell platform, we were very interested in it. It was a requirement from our perspective to knock out the T-cell receptor.And we had originally worked with Memorial Sloan-Kettering and Dr. Sadelain in developing differentiation protocols, at least initially as proof-of-concept where the T-cell receptor was present. When we knocked out the T-cell receptor, challenges emerged originally in developing highly effective iPS-derived CAR T-cells.Over the past 18 months, there's been substantial breakthroughs in solving that problem. For instance, Michel has β Dr. Sadelain has discovered a 1XX CAR construct. We've been able to drop that 1XX CAR construct in place of the T-cell receptor. So effectively, we've now knocked out the T-cell receptor. We've replaced it by a CAR and we're using that CAR to drive differentiation and maturation of T-cells.And so that culminated essentially in the presentation that we made at ASH, both at our Investor event as well as a poster presentation where we believe we are now developing highly efficacious iPS-derived CAR T-cells. And we've been benchmarking them over the past year against patient primary derived CAR T-cells and doing that in the model systems that Dr. Sadelain has been using over the past four, five, six years in developing primary CAR T-cell therapy. So we feel very confident about the model systems we're using and the data we're generating with respect to 819.
- Alethia Young:
- Great. Thank you.
- Daniel Shoemaker:
- And just one additional thing is having the CAR driven by the endogenous TCR promoter, drives a more natural expression pattern that results in more persistent and robust CAR T-cells. And so certainly, Michel described that beautifully in a nature paper, 1.5 year ago now, but we've been able to replicate a lot of those observations in our iPS-derived CAR T platform. So we think that's a really important step forward.
- Alethia Young:
- Thanks guys.
- Scott Wolchko:
- Thank you.
- Operator:
- Thank you. Our next question comes from Yigal Nochomovitz from Citi. Please go ahead.
- Unidentified Analyst:
- Hi. This is [indiscernible] on for Yigal. Thanks very much for taking our questions. I had a couple on FT516, specifically in solid tumors. First, could you just elaborate more on what's driving your decision to first test in combination with avelumab? And second, how should we think about which solid tumors you'll be enrolling? Is there going to be β or should we expect any overlap with the solid tumors you're currently targeting with FT500?
- Scott Wolchko:
- So I can answer that question. As was mentioned our FT516 Phase I study in solid tumors will initially focus on combinations with FT516 plus avelumab. And the reason why we selected avelumab was the unique properties of this monoclonal antibody. Not only with respect to its abilities as a checkpoint inhibitor similar to other anti-PDL1 molecules like atezolizumab, but also because it differentiates from those molecules because it does have ADCC activity.And so by combining avelumab with FT516, it is a possible to exploit both the checkpoint inhibitor mechanism of action of avelumab to its PDL1 inhibition as well as through its combination with NK-cells in terms of targeting NK-cells to tumors. And so the way that the study is designed, allows for patients who have PDL1 positive tumors, those patients would all be eligible for the combination of FT516 plus avelumab.And then depending on the activity that's seen with FT516 plus avelumab that will in part drive the decision to open up other combinations of FT516 with monoclonal antibodies has already written in the protocol, for example, with trastuzumab and with cetuximab to target tumors that express both HER2 and EGFR.
- Unidentified Analyst:
- Thank you for that. And just a clarifying question, can these patients also fail PD1 therapy or is it just PDL1 prior therapy?
- Scott Wolchko:
- No, they can fail either PD1 or anti-PDL1 directed therapy.
- Unidentified Analyst:
- Got it. Understood. And then just thinking aboutβ¦
- Scott Wolchko:
- Just to clarify, they will have to have failed at least one line of PDL1 therapy.
- Unidentified Analyst:
- Okay. So they could have failed a prior PD1 and PDL1, but they need that PDL1 failure as well. Okay, understood. Thank you for that clarification. And then just thinking a little bit further, would you ever consider for FT516 or even 596 selecting for patients with low MHC1 expression? Or is that something that's sort of FT500 specific given those other assets are engineered? Or is it something to do with more about the tumor types they're targeting?
- Daniel Shoemaker:
- I think this is the foundational aspect of NK biology. So I think we're going to absolutely pay attention to that as we explore our entire NK platform is one of the mechanisms. And one of the nice things about NK-cells is not only do we β can we take advantage of the functionality we're engineering in, but certainly that sort of innate ability of these NK-cells to recognize and eliminate Class I low or no cells is something that we could always take advantage of.
- Scott Wolchko:
- Okay. Thanks.
- Unidentified Analyst:
- Great. Thanks very much for taking the question.
- Operator:
- Thank you. Our next question comes from Jim Birchenough from Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.
- James Birchenough:
- Yes. Hi guys. Congratulations on all the progress. A few questions. I guess first on 596, there was a reference, and you guys have mentioned the stringent release criteria. Could you maybe talk about the measures of potency and CD19 expression? And I guess, what gives you confidence that those release criteria will be predictive of a highly effective cell therapy? And then I have a few follow-ups.
- Scott Wolchko:
- Sure. Absolutely, when we look at the features and functionality of the released product, a criteria that we look at is absolutely the expression levels for instance, of both CD16 as well as CAR19. And those expression levels, while I won't disclose what the thresholds are. Those expression levels are both very high.
- James Birchenough:
- Great. And then Scott maybe on 819, could you maybe talk about the process of tech transfer from Memorial Sloan-Kettering, when it will most happen? And I guess, what's left to do before filing IND there?
- Scott Wolchko:
- Sure. So I wouldn't describe what we've done to-date necessarily as tech transfer with Memorial Sloan-Kettering. We've been working hand-in-hand on this collaboration, really almost in replicating labs for the past three years. Most of the process development has been done at Fate Therapeutics. The initial pilot manufacturing runs have been done at Fate Therapeutics and we fully expect that the GMP production run will also initially take place at Fate Therapeutics.And so at this point in time we are completing pilot manufacturing and obviously β then GMP manufacturer to support the IND filing. But I think at this point in time given that we've fully generated and qualified the master cell line, it's a pretty straight forward path and it's a IND that we have confidence given our experience with INDs in the past. I think it's a pretty straight line to file the IND from this point. And to be clear, and to manufacturer product.
- James Birchenough:
- Great. And just one final one, just back on FT596, have you identified the first patient to treat? When do you expect you'll treat that first patient? And from what you've learned from FT500 and 516? Do you think the two weekly dose is adequate to give full coverage?
- Daniel Shoemaker:
- So I can answer that. So we anticipate that the first patient to be treated with FT596 will be enrolled probably within the next several weeks. The study as mentioned is open for enrollment. There are potential patients that have been identified. They're currently going through their screening process. So we should know within the next week or two, whether or not that first patient will come on to study.
- Scott Wolchko:
- I would say one of the things that we're interested in, and we talked about this on our last call, is FT596 and obviously our platform allows for multiple dosing. And in these first patients we're giving one dose in a 30-day period. However, the FDA provided us an opportunity to approach them patient-by-patient, to repeat dose. And that's something that we fully expect to take advantage of beginning with the first patient.And so very likely, when we provide a data update, certain numbers of our patients will absolutely be redosed. That's something that's a paradigm we're absolutely interested in exploring and we think we have a unique platform to allow for that.
- James Birchenough:
- Great. Well thanks for all the detail.
- Scott Wolchko:
- Thanks.
- Operator:
- Thank you. Our next question comes from Robyn Karnauskas from SunTrust Robinson. Please go ahead.
- Unidentified Analyst:
- Hey guys. This is [indiscernible] on for Robyn. Thank you so much for taking my question, and congrats on all the progress. So one of the questions I had was, you've mentioned that we can expect to see multiple data readouts later this year. I was hoping that you can maybe help set expectations about how many patients we can see from the FT500 trials, from the FT516? How many monotherapy? And it may be hard to do with any sort of bookends on how many patients' data we might see. And would it be closer to the front end of the second half or maybe later? Is there any conference that we should be thinking about? Any color would be helpful.
- Scott Wolchko:
- Yes, absolutely. I think it's too early to say and get into specific patient numbers based on specific products. Obviously, we think ASH is going to be a big conference again for the company, just given the cadence of enrollment in the studies and the timing of initiating the FT596 study, ASH obviously lines up to be a big conference for us.SITC is probably another conference that we are going to target especially with respect to FT500, given it's focused on solid tumors. I know that answer maybe somewhat unsatisfying. I will say that we will try and give as much transparency and provide as much updates as we can with respect to where and when we intend to present data as we get closer to the conferences.
- Unidentified Analyst:
- Okay. That's very helpful. One small follow-up question. What sort of data can we expect or can we expect any preclinical data at AACR? Can you give us some clarity on that?
- Scott Wolchko:
- Yes. So at AACR, I'm actually not sure that abstracts are published or I can even say this. But at AACR, yes, we will have preclinical data presented at AACR across multiple different product candidates. At AACR, we will very likely announce a new product candidate as well, which will be a CAR focused on a novel target.
- Unidentified Analyst:
- Great. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Thank you.
- Scott Wolchko:
- Thank you.
- Operator:
- Thank you. Our next question comes from Ted Tenthoff from Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.
- Edward Tenthoff:
- Great. Thank you very much, guys. And just fantastic execution here [indiscernible] on the pipeline. Can you give a sense for scale at the new facility in San Diego? Will you be able to really produce all clinical supply for these plans, studies from that facility? How should we look longer term in terms of capacity? Thanks.
- Scott Wolchko:
- Sure. So the existing facility, and I talk about our manufacturing process, it's a relatively small footprint, but you have to think of our manufacturing process very differently than I think you think about or folks think about most cell therapy manufacturer.I mean in a single GMP suite in a 45-day period, we can manufacture hundreds of doses of product and we're already sitting on hundreds of doses of product for FT500, FT516 and FT596. So we feel really confident in our ability to supply out of our existing facility, what I'll call early stage clinical supply across our pipeline.That said, in either late 2019 or early 2020, we did announce that we are planning to move our corporate headquarters within the San Diego area, and launch a new facility in mid-2021 and that new facility will actually include 40,000 square feet of GMP capability.And so we certainly feel very comfortable in our ability to supply over the next 18 months and we're certainly planning for long-term registrational and potential commercial supply out of a facility that we expect to launch in the next 18 months.
- Edward Tenthoff:
- Excellent. Thanks so much, Scott.
- Scott Wolchko:
- Sure.
- Operator:
- Thank you. Our next question comes from Ben Burnett from Stifel. Please go ahead.
- Benjamin Burnett:
- Great. Thanks so much. I was wondering if you could talk about FT576 and the steps to move that into the clinic. And I guess really what I'm trying to get at is would you want to wait and see some clinical data for FT538 before making any decisions on 576?
- Scott Wolchko:
- Sure. It's a great question. And we are I would say not waiting at all. We're aggressively building FT576. And while I don't think I mentioned it on the call, we intend to file an IND for FT576 in the second half of 2020. So that will be our third IND for the year. And so FT576 similar to FT596 just in terms of how you think about it philosophically, dual-antigen targeted certainly can hit BCMA, can hit CD38 in combined with a monoclonal antibody.And so we think we're building a multiantigen targeted best-in-class product candidate for myeloma and we're aggressively moving forward with that development and we do not plan on waiting for any type of clinical results for FT538 to move FT576 into clinical development.
- Wayne Chu:
- And as Scott mentioned earlier, 576 is actually being built on the 538 backbone. So I think this is an interesting and powerful example of how we could leverage one master cell bank to make additional products. That again will have four edits, which I think shows you what the direction that we're headed with this platform.
- Benjamin Burnett:
- Okay, great. That's really helpful. If I could just ask one more. Just really about the design of the 516 study. Just remind me after patients receive a second course of therapy, is there an extension study that they can enroll on to? And if there is, I guess, has anyone enrolled on to it yet?
- Daniel Shoemaker:
- So for FT516, there is a long-term follow-up extension study, it's termed FT004. It's for patients who have progressed while receiving FT516, but we continued β but require continued follow-up largely as based on requirements from FDA regarding a long-term safety follow-up as well as long-term safety follow up.
- Benjamin Burnett:
- Got it. Okay. You're not disclosing at this point is whether anyone is enrolled on to that?
- Daniel Shoemaker:
- No. I mean, we have a long-term follow-ups for all our studies. It's an FDA requirement.
- Benjamin Burnett:
- Fair enough. Okay. Thanks very much. I appreciate it.
- Operator:
- Thank you. Our next question comes from Michael Schmidt from Guggenheim Securities. Please go ahead.
- Kelsey Goodwin:
- Hi. This is Kelsey on for Michael. Thanks for taking our questions. 2020 is shaping out to be a big year for the 596 and the 819 program. Maybe could you just help us understand how you view advancing both in anti-CD19 CAR NK-cell assets and also in anti-CD19 CAR T-cell assets? And then maybe more broadly how you see both the NK franchise and the CAR T-cell franchise kind of fitting into and synergizing in your longer-term corporate strategy? Thank you.
- Scott Wolchko:
- So I think it's a great question. I think it's quite honestly a very important question. I think is a question that I don't think we're going to get into publicly yet at this point with respect to our long-term clinical development strategy with respect to FT596 versus FT819.That said, I would say generally speaking, we don't know and I mean we, the field does not know yet the full potential for instance of CAR NK-cell therapies. And so we're super excited in understanding the initial clinical results for FT596. I would say while it's only a small number of patients, the 11 patients from MD Anderson, at least seem to indicate that CAR NK-cell therapy has similar types of efficacy as CAR T-cell therapy. But the toxicity profile at least in the 11 patients seems to be differentiated in favor of NK-cells.It is early, don't get me wrong, but I do like the fact that we are developing both CAR NK, we are developing both CAR T, and I think we are exquisitely positioned to answer some of these really important questions with respect to the differences between an NK-cell, a T-cell and importantly how an NK-cell and a T-cell may synergize together to drive curable outcomes.And I do think we are a company and we are pursuing pre-clinically and you should not be surprised if you see some interesting preclinical data from Fate Therapeutics this year that delves into the synergies between NK-cells and T-cells.
- Kelsey Goodwin:
- Okay, great. Thank you so much.
- Scott Wolchko:
- Sure.
- Operator:
- Thank you. Our next question comes from Biren Amin from Jefferies. Please go ahead.
- Biren Amin:
- Yes. Hi guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Maybe I'll start with 596. The MD Anderson paper came out in the New England Journal of Medicine, and when we look at it, it seems to allow the use of transplants in two of the patients after they receive CAR NK-cells, and I think another three patients receive subsequent pharmacotherapy. Are these therapies allowed in the 596 studies?
- Daniel Shoemaker:
- Sorry, could you repeat the last part of your question? Sorry.
- Biren Amin:
- So I was wondering with MD Anderson after the patients received the CAR NK-cells, two patients received transplant, another three had received, I think, one receivable and Rituxan, and another therapy, so I was just wondering if this is allowed in your 596 studies?
- Daniel Shoemaker:
- So in general, yes, they are. I mean, especially now we're in the early stages when our dosing schedules are limited to single dose administration. As we get additional experience with multiple dosing of FT596, our intention is to treat with multiple doses. But if patients β if the investigators choose to do so, patients would be allowed to receive some of these post-treatment therapies that you described.
- Scott Wolchko:
- I think, at least as we think about it, I mean this is very early dose escalation, and if a patient and a physician want to make a decision to go on to another maintenance therapy or if a potentially curative transplant is available, that is permitted under the protocol. And I think from early stage dose escalation study, I think it might be asking too much to restrict patients from exploring other therapies.
- Daniel Shoemaker:
- But I would also add that as we get additional experience from the study if there is evidence that we're not only achieving deep responses with FT596, but getting durable responses with FT596, you can imagine that discussions with the investigators would involve whether or not to continue following these patients even after receiving multiple doses of FT596 rather than instinctively going on to other therapies.
- Biren Amin:
- So I guess when does that conversation going to happen? Because I guess you've got dose range in the 596 trial from 30 million cell doses to 900 million cell dose?
- Scott Wolchko:
- Yes. As you would say, I think that conversation to a certain extent is going to happen with the first patient because we are interested in exploring redosing of FT596. The FDA has provided us a window to have that conversation and it's certainly a conversation we're excited to have.
- Biren Amin:
- Okay. And then on the β sorry, go ahead.
- Daniel Shoemaker:
- I would just add that would probably dealt with on a patient-by-patient basis and discussing with the individual investigator as well.
- Biren Amin:
- Okay. And then on 819, with IND going in, do you expect any concerns from FDA on manufacturing or should we expect that the agency is going to use similar criteria for 819 compared to 596?
- Scott Wolchko:
- I don't necessarily want to predict what the FDA may or may not choose to do. I would just say generally, I think we have a really good handle historically on qualifying master iPS cell lines. That step, if you will, that stage of qualifying a master iPS cell line is independent of whether you're intending to make an NK-cell or a T-cell.I would say that the manufacturing process in making an NK-cell or a T-cell from a master cell line is similar. It's not exactly the same by any stretch. But the first 15 days where you go from that master cell line to a CD34, that discrete stage of manufacture, is actually the same also whether you make an NK-cell or a T-cell, from there it differs. When you go from a CD34 to an NK or a CD34 to a T-cell that step of manufacture is different.But in many respects, I mean there are a lot of similarities and we do think we will get a lot of leverage over what we've done historically in developing and clearing the IND for FT596, which is obviously a CAR NK-cell.
- Biren Amin:
- Great. Thank you.
- Operator:
- Thank you. Our next question comes from Matt Biegler from Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.
- Matthew Biegler:
- Hey guys. Thanks for squeezing me in. Scott, I had a quick one on the first FT516 patient. Is it fair to classify this patient at this point as a complete response or was the best response considered morphological leukemia-free state?
- Scott Wolchko:
- Yes. So when we talked about the patient and we talked about the patient at ASH, I mean we went to lengths to not qualify a response. The protocol has a formal assessment that is conducted at the end of the second treatment cycle.And so what we have said is that both patients went on to receive a second treatment cycle and we simply made an observational note that we had seen persistence of FT516 in the patient's bone marrow. And that at day-42 through a bone marrow biopsy, at the end of cycle one, there was a morphologic leukemia-free state.
- Matthew Biegler:
- Got it. That's helpful. And then turning to 596, you're starting dose at 30 million cells. It's a around an order of magnitude lower than traditional CAR T. But I'm just wondering if that's a fair comparison for us to make on a dose-to-dose basis since obviously you should have a much more homogenous final product. And then if there's any way that you can kind of quantify what you think your dose would be relative to a CAR T? That'd be helpful. Thanks.
- Scott Wolchko:
- Yes, I think it's too early for us to speculate on what we ultimately think is going to be sort of the MTD with respect to 596. I'll note that the initial dose used in the MD Anderson product was effectively 10 million cells per dose. It was weighted adjusted per kg, but it was effectively 10 million cells per dose, and we're starting at 30 million cells per dose.But I agree with you. 30 million cells per dose relative to what's been used in the CAR T-cell space is a low dose. Clearly though we believe we have a more homogeneous product. We think we have very high levels of expression of CAR, and weβre more excited and anxious to see how this plays out.I will say, I mean, obviously the protocol that we submitted though has dose levels that escalate from 30 million cells to 90 million cells to 300 million cells to 900 million cells. And so we certainly have a protocol that encompasses what we think are more traditional dose levels that are seen with CAR T-cell therapy.
- Matthew Biegler:
- Got it. Thanks.
- Operator:
- Thank you. And our last question comes from Amanda Murphy from BTIG. Please go ahead.
- Amanda Murphy:
- Hi, thanks. [Indiscernible] first on cryopreservation for NK-cells. So obviously you've spent a lot of time working on that and maybe if I recall, Dr. [indiscernible] product is still β it's just fresh, not frozen per se.So I just wanted to get a sense of as you're adding more edits into the product, is that what the gating factor is where β I'm just trying to understand that the limiting factors around cryopreservation and kind of how much more you can ramp up in edits without having to redo prophecies, et cetera?
- Daniel Shoemaker:
- Yes. Hi Amanda, this is Dan. So certainly this is one of the aspects of manufacturing that we've spent a lot of time understanding and optimizing. And one of the things I think about an iPS-derived NK-cells, they seem to just be inherently resilient to the cryopreservation process.That was a good starting point that then went into a high degree of optimization in an infusion-ready media. Interestingly, as we've gone through the different product forms of whether it's 516 and 596, we've not seen a major difference in performance on viability and potency. And so that the base cryo process that we established for the platform really seems to be scaling well as we add additional edits.And then I will say that T-cells just in general are generally easier and more resilient to cryopreservation, so that's something that is less challenging compared to the NK side. But to answer your question, this sort of the base platform that we've established seems to really be adapting well to these edit product forms with additional edits.
- Amanda Murphy:
- Okay. Got it. And then my last one is probably impossible to answer, but I'll try to ask it anyway. I mean, there's been a lot of competitive movement in the space around iPSC in general, and one of the things that you talk a lot about is IP and that you've generated and licensed and et cetera. So just kind of sort through that all in my mind or our minds as you get, I think there is a lot of interest in iPSC-derived therapies, et cetera. I'm not sure if you can talk specifically about your IP strategy or whatnot, but just trying to understand, like, do you think you have blocking IP? How may you approach that?
- Scott Wolchko:
- So I'll just say this. We have over 250 patents and 150 open applications that cover iPS cell technology, including iPS-derived NK-cells and T-cells and including engineered features and functionality that you would embed within those cell products.
- Wayne Chu:
- That's one of the advantages for having been doing this for 10 or 12 years.
- Amanda Murphy:
- Right, exactly. Okay. Thank you all.
- Operator:
- Thank you. I show no further questions in the queue. At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to Scott Wolchko, President and CEO for closing remarks.
- Scott Wolchko:
- Thank you all for your participation in today's call and your continued support of Fate. Certainly, there is an exciting year ahead for the field of allogeneic cell-based cancer immunotherapy, and we look forward to achieving significant clinical milestones and generating decisive clinical data across multiple programs this year. Thank you.
- Operator:
- Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.
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