Herc Holdings Inc.
Q3 2018 Earnings Call Transcript

Published: 8 Nov 2018

[Operator:]

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Herc Holdings Third Quarter 2018 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] Please note that this event is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Elizabeth Higashi, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, ma'am.

[Elizabeth Higashi:]

Thank you, Denise, and good morning to all of you. I'd like to welcome everyone to our third quarter earnings conference call. Our press release and presentation slides went out this morning and both are posted on the Events page of our IR website at ir.hercrentals.com. Please turn to Slide 2. This morning, I'm joined by Larry Silber, our President and Chief Executive Officer; and Mark Irion, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. They will review the quarter as well as the industry outlook. The prepared remarks will be followed by an open Q&A which will also include Bruce Dressel, Senior Vice President and Chief Operating Officer. Before I turn the call over to Larry, there are a few items I'd like to cover. First, today's conference call will include forward-looking statements. These statements are based on the environment as we see it today, and therefore, involve risks and uncertainties. I would caution you that our actual results could differ materially from the forward-looking statements made on this call. Please refer to Slide 3 through 5 of the presentation for our complete safe harbor statements. The company's Risk Factors section of our annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended, December 31, 2017, which was filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission contains additional information about risks and uncertainties that could impact our business. You can access the copy of our 2017 Form 10-K by visiting the Investors section of our website at ir.hercrentals.com or through the SEC's website at sec.gov. On a related matter, we expect to file our third quarter Form 10-Q later today, which will be available through either websites. In addition to the financial results presented on a GAAP basis, we will be discussing non-GAAP information that we believe is useful in evaluating the company's operating performance. Reconciliations for these non-GAAP measures to the closest GAAP equivalent can be found in the conference call material, which were furnished to the SEC with our Form 8-K this morning and are also posted on the Investors section of our website at ir.hercrentals.com. Finally, a replay of this call can be accessed via dial-in or through a webcast on our website. Replay instructions were included in our earnings release this morning. We have not given permission for any other recording of this call and do not approve or sanction any transcribing of the call. Now, I'll turn the call over to Larry.

[Lawrence Silber:]

Thank you, Elizabeth. Please turn to Slide #6. And thanks everybody for joining us this morning on this morning's earnings conference call. We're very pleased with the strong third quarter results we reported this morning. Our strategic initiatives drove increases in volume, price and mix compared with last year's third quarter. We achieved strong rental revenue growth, controlled direct operating expenses, reduced SG&A and improved flow-through. We recorded our highest quarterly dollar utilization and adjusted EBITDA margin since becoming a standalone public company. And we expect to continue to improve both metrics going forward. Therefore, we are pleased to announce that we raised our full year 2018 adjusted EBITDA guidance range to $675 million to $685 million. The new range reflects an increase of 15% to 17% over the $585 million in adjusted EBITDA we recorded in 2017. Please turn to Slide #7. The four pillars of our strategy

[Mark Irion:]

Thank you, Larry, and good morning, everyone. I'm excited about the progress we made this quarter as we continue to improve our top line and began to better manage direct operating expenses and reduced SG&A. We know we are in the early stages of a margin improvement journey, but are pleased with the progress we have made this quarter with a refocus on flow-through. If you turn to Slide 17, we will review the Q3 financial summary. Larry has already provided an overview of our key metrics for the third quarter. I will reiterate a couple of highlights. Then I'll walk you through the third quarter year-over-year changes. In the third quarter of 2018, equipment rental revenue grew 8.7% year-over-year to $449 million, while total revenues increased 12.8% to $516.2 million. We reported net income for the quarter of $46.2 million or $1.60 per diluted share compared with net income of $12.8 million or $0.45 per diluted share in last year's third quarter. The improvement was primarily due to better operating results this year and $15 million tax benefit as we continue to analyze and finalize our initial estimates of the impact of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act that we booked in December 2017. Adjusted EBITDA in the third quarter of 2018 improved 14% to $201.5 million over the same period of 2017 and increased 19.3% for the year-to-date period. Internally, our key focus in terms of our margin improvement process is around the term we refer to as REBITDA. This is a concept that I would like to socialize here and on future calls, as this is the way we will define success of margin improvement going forward. REBITDA basically measures the contribution from our core rental operations without the impact of sales of new and rental equipment to better analyze the rental profitability and margin improvement of our rental business. We are primarily a rental business and improvement in our rental operating margins will add value to our business over time. We may also utilize different depreciation assumptions than others in the industry, which is in an impact on the margin on the sales of rental equipment we report on our financial statements. As such, there is likely to be a 400 to 500 basis point gap in our adjusted EBITDA margins that is structural in nature rather than performance driven. For this reason, we will focus on managing our REBITDA margins and flow-through, and have the internal goal that we'll be able to close the gap in terms of our EBITDA versus our peers over the next couple of years. For the current quarter, we are very pleased with the progress we've made in terms of improvements to our car rental business as mentioned in REBITDA. Due to strong flow through of 68%, our REBITDA margin rose to 44% during the third quarter of this year, an increase of 210 basis points from the third quarter of 2017. For the nine months, the improvement in margin was 170 basis points to 38.6% in 2018 compared with 36.9% last year. There is a reconciliation of these measures in the appendix on Page 28, which I think you'll find useful in evaluating our operating progress. Please turn to Slide 18, we can see that the total revenues in the third quarter of 2019 grew 12.8% or $59 million to $516.2 million compared to $457.6 million in the third quarter of 2017. Excluding currency, rental revenue increased $37.7 million or 9.1% compared to the same period last year. The higher year-over-year equipment rental revenue results reflected 3.2% increase in pricing, a 3.9% increase in volume, with remainder from improved mix and other. The improved mix is partially due to the revenue growth from local accounts and the ProSolutions and ProContractor lines of business. We continue to grow our local account revenues and as - and reported an increase of 15% in the third quarter over last year and improved our local revenue contribution mix to 60%, as Larry pointed out earlier. In the third quarter of 2019, sales of rental equipment increased about 81% or $22.8 million and reflected our ongoing focus to improve fleet mix and to maintain the age and quality of our rental fleet. The largest portion of our sales went through auction channels and accounted for 45% of the total sales volume in the third quarter 2019 compared with 22% in the prior year. We generated proceeds of approximately 40% of OEC this quarter. Please turn to Slide 19 to review the Q3 adjusted EBITDA bridge. Adjusted EBITDA for the third quarter was $201.5 million, an increase of 14% or $25 million compared to $176.7 million in the third quarter of 2017. The bridge shows that the largest contributor was the improvement of equipment rental revenue with the growth of $37.7 million. Direct operating costs increased $6.3 million over the third quarter of 2017 as a result of the higher rental equipment activity and related cost such as payroll and payroll related expense as well as fuel, which offset an improvement and maintenance and transportation expenses we achieved year-over-year. Selling, general and administrative costs increased $2.8 million, primarily due to increases in sales personnel and sales related commissions on increased revenue growth. Larry mentioned the progress we've made regarding a number of initiatives that were rolled out in the third quarter to reduce and control expenses. And this quarter represented good progress towards flattening out our operating expenses in order to maximize flow through and to improve adjusted EBITDA margin improvement as we go forward. Please turn to Slide 20. Net income in the third quarter was $46.2 million compared to net income of $12.8 million in 2017. Income taxes decreased $6.8 million over the same period in 2017, primarily due to $15 million benefit related to a revision to the one-time transition tax estimate under the 2017 Tax Act. We now estimate our effective tax rate for the full year 2018 to be approximately 2%. Interest expense for the third quarter increased slightly, primarily due to approximately $5.4 million of costs related to the partial redemption of our senior secured second priority notes. Interest expense was partially offset by a decrease in interest related to lower average outstanding borrowings on our notes during the third quarter of 2018 compared to the prior year. While we benefited from the redemption of the notes, the average borrowings of the revolving credit facility increased as did the average interest rate of the revolving credit facility during the quarter compared to the prior year's quarter as our floating rate is composed - is comprised of LIBOR plus 1.75%. Spin-off costs in the third quarter declined $8.6 million to $1.7 million from $10.3 million on the prior year, and are now expected to be just about $12 million to $15 million for the full year, a decline from the $20 million we had estimated earlier in the year. The all other category reflects our improved operating results and accounted for improvement of $26.7 million. Details of the components are also included in our appendix. On Slide 21, we have broken out fleet expenditures and disposals on an OEC cost basis that provided a rolling balance of the OEC value of our total fleet. A quarterly breakout of this information for 2018 and 2017 is also on the appendix. Total fleet at OEC was $3.92 billion as of September 30, 2018. The average OEC of our rental fleet during the quarter increased 5.5% over the prior year quarter. For the third quarter of 2018, fleet expenditures were $171 million and fleet disposal at OEC were $126 million. The average age of our disposals in the third quarter was 82 months. We improved the average age of our fleet to approximately 46 months at the end of the third quarter from 49 months in the comparable period last year. Total debt was $2.3 billion as of September 30, 2018, an increase of $91.8 million from year-end 2017. Net cash flow from operations for the nine months ended September 30, improved from $253.6 million in 2017 to $375 million in 2018 or a $121.4 million increase. Net fleet capital expenditures increased in the third quarter from $234.7 million in 2017 to $428.4 million in 2018. Free cash flow for the nine months of 2018 was negative $108 million compared to negative $35.4 million in the same period in 2017. A reconciliation of free cash flow is on the appendix of the deck. We had ample liquidity of $565 million as of September 30, 2018, our strong financial position enabled us to proceed in July with a redemption of $61 million in aggregate principal amount of the 7.5% notes due in 2022 and $63 million of the 7.75% notes due in 2024. To fund the partial redemption of our notes, we borrowed on our revolving credit facility, which has a rate of approximately one month LIBOR plus 1.75% and will result in annualized interest savings of approximately $5 million. In September of this year, we also closed on an accounts receivable securitization facility with an initial commitment of $175 million and the maximum limit of up to $250 million. We are continuing to focus on a disciplined financial strategy to reduce leverage and to fund organic growth opportunities with our operating cash flow. As we've said previously, we expect free cash flow to turn positive in 2019. Net fleet capital expenditures are anticipated to be lower than 2019 as we have made this drive to repositioning our fleet this year. On Page - on Slide 23. As Larry mentioned earlier, we are raising our guidance range for 2018, adjusted EBITDA to $675 million to $685 million or an increase of 15% to 17% compared with our 2017 adjusted EBITDA of $585 million. Also, with our narrow projected net fleet capital expenditures range of $525 million to $540 million this year, we expect to continue reduction in our net leverage ratio by the end of the calendar year. Our overall strategy is expected to continue to provide ample liquidity and the financial flexibility to fund our strategic growth, to improve our operating margins, serve our customers and to create value for our shareholders. And now, I'll turn it back to Larry.

[Lawrence Silber:]

Thank you, Mark. We were very pleased with the strength of our top line growth. We increased pricing 3.2% in the quarter, continuing our run of 10 consecutive quarters of year-over-year price increases. We also increased ancillary revenue 17%, drove higher volumes and improved mix over the prior year. Our cost control programs begin to achieve results and our adjusted EBITDA margin and dollar utilization reach the highest levels, since we become a separate standalone public company. Our average fleet increased 5% over the last year as we carefully continue the diversification of our fleet with ProSolutions and ProContractor OEC fleet growing at 9%. We continue to execute on the five-year plan we laid out few years ago and are focused on rate-driven revenue growth and margin expansion. And now, we look forward to your question so, operator, please open the lines.

[Operator:]

Thank you, sir. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] The first question will come from Neil Frohnapple of Buckingham Research. Please go ahead.

[Neil Frohnapple:]

Hi, good morning. Congrats of a great quarter.

[Lawrence Silber:]

Good morning, Neil. How are you?

[Neil Frohnapple:]

Good. Mark, I realize you won't give EBITDA guidance until March, but can you help us think of an incremental REBITDA margin framework at least going forward now, with what you've laid out? Now that some of the cost initiatives are taking hold, I mean, is there any reason to think of 60% to 70% incremental rental EBITDA margin is unreasonable going forward?

[Mark Irion:]

Yeah, now, certainly our goal as we stated before is 60% to 70% flow-through in terms of our REBITDA. And we also be challenging ourselves for up to 200 basis points improvement sort of on a year-over-year basis, if current market conditions continue and we continue to execute on our plan.

[Neil Frohnapple:]

You said, Mark, 200 basis points in 2019 will be the hope.

[Mark Irion:]

That's not guidance, but that's our internal challenge on a go-forward basis.

[Neil Frohnapple:]

Right, okay. And then, switching to the CapEx, you mentioned lower versus 2018. Can you give us a sense of what fleet growth would be, let's just say if fleet-spend was down, call it, 10% next year? I mean, would fleet growth be still somewhere in the, call it, 2% to 4% range, I mean, any help there?

[Mark Irion:]

I mean, I think that's sort of the math. We've got a bigger fleet than we had at the beginning of the year. So less CapEx on top of that fleet is going to result in less fleet growth and 5%-plus that we generated this quarter. So the math will indicate a less than 5% sort of fleet growth going forward with less net CapEx in 2019.

[Neil Frohnapple:]

Okay. Great, thanks. I'll pass it on.

[Mark Irion:]

Sure.

[Operator:]

The next question will be from Seth Weber of RBC. Please go ahead.

[Seth Weber:]

Hey, good morning.

[Mark Irion:]

Good morning.

[Lawrence Silber:]

Good morning, Seth. How are you?

[Seth Weber:]

Doing fine. Thanks. Yourself?

[Lawrence Silber:]

Great.

[Seth Weber:]

I want to ask about dollar utilization. Rental rate is very strong. Dollar utilization was up year-over-year, but not as much as we thought. And I understand you're managing the business for returns and all. But - so I'm just trying to frame kind of expectations for dollar utilization going forward. You said it should be up year-over-year I think in the fourth quarter. But we kind of continue to be too high is our expectations there, even though the rates are very strong. So I'm just - if you could help us sort of understand the dynamic that's going on there, Thanks.

[Mark Irion:]

Yeah, I mean, it's a tough number to move, I think just given the denominator with the fleet size. We were perhaps not as pleased with the improvement that we got this quarter. But with less CapEx going into 2019 and the continued focus on rate growth, as you mentioned, we do expect to see a continued growth there. So we will continue moving forward. It's a tough metric to move in a quarter on a sort of substantial way, where we did have some tough comps last year with the hurricane activity and in Q3. But we are focused on it and we are looking for consistent gains in dollar utilization.

[Lawrence Silber:]

Yeah, and remember, the dollar utilization is the denominator and the numerator, right, while the numerator is based on current activity. The Denominator still has some of the sins of the past. We only completed our third year of fleet additions, where we were in control of the fleet. We're - so we're not even half way through the fleet rotation that we talked about relative to the cost of OEC and the denominator. So as we continue to roll forward, that will have an improvement effect.

[Seth Weber:]

Okay. So, Mark, do you think like a 50 basis point kind of year-over-year improvement is the right way to think about it going forward?

[Mark Irion:]

We would have it until an expectation of more growth than that.

[Seth Weber:]

Okay. Super. And then, my follow-up question is on the used equipment sales. It sounds like you auction sales picked up quite a bit here in the quarter, which I'm just trying to understand if that's signaling anything that you're seeing in the end market as far as demand, retail channels getting full, anything that we should read into increased use of the auction channel here in the third quarter? Thanks.

[James Bruce Dressel:]

Yeah, hi, hey. This is Bruce. We're still seeing a real robust strong used equipment market. And I think just the mix shift there is kind of a quarterly anomaly in what we sold. But overall strong market, strong demand.

[Seth Weber:]

Okay. Thank you, guys. I appreciate it.

[Lawrence Silber:]

Sure.

[Operator:]

The next question will be from Brian Sponheimer of GAMCO. Please go ahead.

[Brian Sponheimer:]

Good morning, everyone.

[Lawrence Silber:]

Good morning, Brian. How are you?

[Brian Sponheimer:]

I'm terrific. Really nice quarter. Mark, I appreciate the extra color on the EBITDA and REBITDA and you brought up the idea that you do depreciate your equipment differently than the rest of the industry. Is that something that at year-end you guys can take a look at and maybe put yourself on an apples-to-apples basis with the rest of your peers? Theoretically, the market is going to value on EBITDA, so the opportunity to adjust that would be potentially a catalyst. Correct?

[Mark Irion:]

It's something that we can look at some stage going forward. It's not necessarily something that will be an immediate review. And there is the change in estimates, which takes quite a bit of conversations with the number of parties just sort of work our way through. So we are comfortable with depreciation schedule that we're on. We're sort of highlighting the variance this year and we can communicate that, I think, with REBITDA going forward and that is something that we will review. But I don't think it's a short-term change to be expecting.

[Brian Sponheimer:]

Understood. Just on the CapEx guidance bringing down the high end, is that you're buying less equipment or selling more?

[James Bruce Dressel:]

I would say that it's a bit of both quite frankly. We loaded up heavy early in the year, we've been absorbing the fleet we brought in and we've also taken advantage of the strong and robust used equipment market by deflating some categories, where we felt we had ample opportunity to do so.

[Brian Sponheimer:]

Understood. Well, congratulations and look forward to see you later.

[James Bruce Dressel:]

Thanks.

[Mark Irion:]

Thanks, Brian.

[Operator:]

The next question will be from Jerry Revich of Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

[Jerry Revich:]

Yes. Hi, good morning, everyone.

[Lawrence Silber:]

Good morning.

[Jerry Revich:]

You folks, as you pointed out, had really strong operating leverage with rental cost flat sequentially and nice seasonal pickup in fleet on rent. Can you talk about, how you're thinking about the cost structure heading into 2019 or the costs in place to deliver the type of top line performance that you alluded to earlier in the call? Or how should we be thinking about operating leverage from here as it relates to just pure cost rent?

[Lawrence Silber:]

Yeah. Good question. I mean, I think this quarter we delivered on what we said we're going to do in the last quarter. We certainly have the cost structure in place to be able to deliver low-single-digit revenue growth. And our continued focus through 2019 is going to be to flatten out our cost structure at similar levels to what we've got now, concentrate on DOE, concentrate on reducing SG&A if possible. And focus on flow through to improve our REBITDA margins.

[Jerry Revich:]

And Mark, in terms of the free cash flow outlook for free cash flow negative - free cash flow positive, excuse me, next year. Given the working capital build that we tend to see in the business, I guess, the comment implies CapEx, I think, could be down as much as, call it, 20% year-over-year of 2019 unless there are other levers that you're pulling. Can you just give me some context around the positive free cash flow outlook that you mentioned. Is that right? Is CapEx going to be down that significantly to get there?

[Mark Irion:]

No. I don't - there might be something wrong with your model there. There's not a big working capital build from year-end to year-end in this business. So we do see something during the quarter or during the middle of the year like you saw building up in Q2 and releasing in Q3. That's just as the fleet comes in, builds up into our accounts payable and then gets paid in Q3. So you'll see that continue with reduction in working capital from current levels to year-end. But year-end to year-end is not really a significant build up, and this is a big increase in revenues that translate into receivables. So there will - I doubt it will be 20% decrease. But with the combination of increased operating cash flow from EBITDA, a flattish working capital and a slight reduction in net CapEx into 2019, you will - from your model, I think, you have to squeeze out quite a bit of free cash flow.

[Jerry Revich:]

All right. Thank you.

[Mark Irion:]

Sure. Thank you.

[Operator:]

The next question will be from Rob Wertheimer of Melius. Please go ahead.

[Rob Wertheimer:]

I had two questions. Thank you and good morning. Operationally, seems to be pretty good fleet on the rent up by, I guess, 5.5% and then your sort of non-depreciating rental expenses up 3% something. Maybe you can just give us a little background color around what you're working on operationally right now driving those improvements. I know, you talked about in the past, but I just like to hear an update. And then second just your thoughts on equipment cost inflation into next year with all the tariff stuff?

[James Bruce Dressel:]

Yeah, so this is Bruce, just as Larry stated on the operational improvements and efficiencies, we're very highly focused on - of the DOE cost getting more efficient, so driving that and holding that flat, as Mark stated.

[Mark Irion:]

And the fleet inflation as we've discussed is running in sort of - inflation sort of balanced [ph] for next year, so 1% to 2% is the expectation going forward.

[Lawrence Silber:]

And as I stated on the Q2 call, we now completed all of our, kind of, 2019 negotiations with all our partner suppliers. So 2% or less is what we are anticipating.

[Rob Wertheimer:]

Perfect. Thanks.

[Operator:]

The next question will be from Kathryn Thompson of Thompson Research Group. Please go ahead.

[Lawrence Silber:]

Good morning, Kathryn.

[Steven Ramsey:]

Good morning. This is Steven on for Kathryn. On reduced CapEx guidance, just to confirm, this does not reflect any slowing in end markets in your outlook for 2019? And does it reflect any slowness of orders being able to come in with OEMs potentially backed up?

[James Bruce Dressel:]

Absolutely not. This is Bruce. We still feel and see a very robust market out there, and any intel from our customers says the same. And actually, the suppliers have kind of improved on their delivery. So I don't think, we're going to see any kind of the long-term that we saw in 2018 from the supplier base.

[Steven Ramsey:]

Great. And then, are you seeing any benefit in Q4 or expect to see in coming quarters from storms and hurricanes?

[Lawrence Silber:]

Yeah, look, we certainly - last year we had some storm activity in both Q3 and in Q4, which we previously reported. We have a little bit of activity in Q3, about $1 million worth of activity in Q3, which resulted in about $0.5 million of EBITDA. We'll have a fair amount of activity in Q4, which has been incorporated within our current guidance.

[Steven Ramsey:]

Great. Thank you.

[Operator:]

The next question will be from Bill Mastoris of Baird. Please go ahead.

[William Mastoris:]

Thank you. Mark, next year, you have your second lien 7.5%s, which become callable. I realize we're looking far into the future here. But it trades at a fairly decent size premium. Would it be fair to say that in the interest of reducing your interest costs that that bond in fact will be called next year? And then I do have a follow-up.

[Mark Irion:]

Well, I - we will analyze our financial structure next year. I don't think it's safe to say that we'll call it or we won't call it. It will be an analysis based on market conditions as we get closer to the call period. So interest expense is something that we're comfortable with at these levels. Our business performs very well in a sort of rising interest environment historically. So it's not our major concern. We're focused on driving revenue growth through rate and effective utilization of our fleet and managing our cost structure. That's where we create value in this business. It's not really a balance sheet management game for us.

[William Mastoris:]

Okay. And then, you indicated that you expect free cash flow next year. On that allocation of free cash flow, would the priorities first lead towards debt reduction or would there be some other priority above debt reduction as you get towards maybe the lower end of your targeted leverage range?

[Lawrence Silber:]

I think the primary use of free cash flow will be debt reduction.

[William Mastoris:]

Okay. And then, finally, a question for, I think, Bruce. And that is, Bruce, have you seen any impact at all from the rise in interest rates on any of your end-user markets, where projects may be either delayed or differed, any impact there?

[James Bruce Dressel:]

No, nothing we see. The market is strong. It's one of the strongest markets I've seen since I've been in the business. And that's why we're focused on rate and delivering service to our customer.

[William Mastoris:]

Okay. All right, thank you very much. And, Larry, nice seeing you in Berkley.

[Lawrence Silber:]

Yes, likewise.

[Operator:]

And the next question will be a follow-up from Jerry Revich of Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

[Jerry Revich:]

Yeah, thanks for taking the follow-up. You folks spoke about the dollar utilization maybe being below your expectations this quarter. Can you just talk about how time utilization fit in the numbers, I guess, imply time utilization was down by 200 basis points year-over-year. How much of that is due to fleet mix? Can you just expand on the comments on what exactly was disappointing within that mix?

[James Bruce Dressel:]

Yeah, so this is Bruce. I'm not quite sure how you're doing the math on time being down 200 basis points year-over-year. But time you came in, we're satisfied with where it came in at. We do see areas of improvement there that we're focused on. So I think, overall, one of the things that Mark mentioned or Larry did on this, the dollar utilization. We hit up against a pretty hard comp with all the hurricane activity. So we're pretty satisfied for what we - with what we accomplished. But we are focused on the same kind of improvements in dollar utilization that Mark talked about internally here. Then he talked about improvement on our EBITDA margin.

[Jerry Revich:]

Well, Bruce, yeah, can you just say more, because your $ UT was up just 50 basis points. We said pricing is up over 3%. We're talking about a strong ancillary revenue contribution, and so, it's tough to get $ UT to be only up 50 basis points, pricing is up 3%, and mix is positive, so unless time UT is down year-over-year.

[James Bruce Dressel:]

I would say, time UT was down a tick, but not 200 basis points. And then you were up against the hard comp mix with the hurricanes.

[Jerry Revich:]

Okay. And then, from a pricing comps from here, you folks have been able to deliver pricing well ahead of the industry over the past year. It looks like you might be up against the tougher pricing comp for you folks in 4Q. Is that right? And as you folks look at the opportunity set, how long is the run way as you see it to be able to drive pricing ahead of industry from here?

[Lawrence Silber:]

Well, look, as long as the market continues to remain robust as we are predicting and seeing it, we'll continue to be able to drive price and we'll continue to focus on price improvement. So I feel pretty good about that. And I don't see that there will be - yeah, we will be up against tougher comps. But we also have storm in this market that has tougher comps or that has good opportunity as well.

[James Bruce Dressel:]

And not to kind of pile on, but we were up against pretty tough comps on price in Q3 and we performed. And as Larry stated, right, the team executed really well. It's an unbelievable environment out there. And we've always been focused on price and optimizing our optimist pricing tool, and we'll continue to do that. We don't see any things in the near term that would not allow us to continue with that.

[Jerry Revich:]

All right, thanks.

[Operator:]

And ladies and gentlemen, this will conclude our question-and-answer session. I would like to hand the conference back to Herc for their closing remarks.

[Lawrence Silber:]

Thank you. And thank you everybody for joining us on the call today. As we've stated, we've increased our 2018 guidance for adjusted EBITDA to $675 million to $685 million or 15% to 17% improvement over 2017, $585 million, based on strong broad-based market demand and our continuing operating improvements. Additionally, we've narrowed our guidance on net fleet capital expenditure to $525 million to $540 million, and expect to spend less next year as we made major strides on repositioning our fleet this year. We believe that our strategic initiatives will continue to contribute to steady improvement in our financial metrics, and then we're on track as we continue to close the gap with our public peers. If you have any further questions, as always please contact Elizabeth Higashi. And we look forward to seeing all of you in the New Year.

[Operator:]

Thank you, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, the conference has concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. At this time, you may disconnect your lines.