Infinera Corporation
Q4 2020 Earnings Call Transcript

Published: 24 Feb 2021

[Operator:]

Good afternoon, and welcome to the Infinera Corporation Fourth Quarter 2020 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. After today’s presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Amitabh Passi, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

[Amitabh Passi:]

Thank you, operator, and good afternoon. Welcome to Infinera's fourth quarter of fiscal 2020 conference call. A copy of today's earnings and investor slides are available on the Investor Relations section of the website. Additionally, this call is being recorded and will be available for replay from our website. Today's call will include projections and estimates that constitute forward-looking statements including, but not limited to, statements about our business plans, including our product road map, sales, growth, market opportunities, manufacturing operations, products, technology and strategy, statements regarding the impact of COVID-19 on our business plans and results of operations, as well as statements regarding future financial performance, including our financial outlook for the first quarter of our fiscal year 2021. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause Infinera's results to differ materially from management's current expectations. Actual results may differ materially as a result of various risk factors, including those set forth in our annual report on Forms 10-K for the year ended December 28, 2019, as filed with the SEC on March 4, 2020, and our quarterly report on Form 10-Q for the quarter ended September 26, 2020, as filed with the SEC on November 5, 2020, as well as the earnings release and investor slides furnished with our Form 8-K filed today. Please be reminded that all statements are made as of today, and Infinera undertakes no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements to reflect events or circumstances that may arise after the date of this call. Today's conference call includes certain non-GAAP financial measures. Pursuant to Regulation G, we've provided a reconciliation of these non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures in our fourth quarter fiscal year 2020 earnings release and investor slides, each of which is available on the Investor Relations section of our website. And finally, as a reminder, we will allow for plenty of time for Q&A today that we ask that you limit yourself to one question and one follow up please. I'll now turn the call over to our Chief Executive Officer, David Heard.

[David Heard:]

Thanks, Amitabh. Good afternoon, and thanks for joining us today. I will begin with a brief review of the fourth quarter and full-year 2020 results before discussing our expectations for 2021. I will then turn the call over to Nancy to cover the details of our financial performance and outlook. But the fourth quarter was another strong performance quarter with solid execution across the board. Revenue came in line with our outlook with non-GAAP gross margin and operating margin above the guidance range.

[Nancy Erba:]

Good afternoon, everyone. Today I will begin by covering our Q4 results and then provide our outlook for Q1. My comments reflect our non-GAAP results. For your reference, we have posted slides with financial details including our GAAP to non-GAAP reconciliation to our Investor Relations website to assist with my commentary. We expect that our Form 10-K will be filed with the SEC during the first-half of next week. We delivered another strong quarter with revenue in line with our outlook and both gross margin and operating margin exceeding the high end of our guidance range. Significant highlights in the quarter were our positive non-GAAP EPS and free cash flow generation, both of which were outstanding achievements to close the year in which we drove operational and financial improvements.

[Operator:]

We will now begin the question-and-answer session. Our first question comes from Samik Chatterjee with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

[Unidentified Analyst:]

Hi, guys.

[David Heard:]

Hey, Samik, how are you?

[Joe Cardoso:]

Hi. This is actually Joe Cardoso on for Samik. Thanks for the question here. I guess my first question just has to do with, you guys obviously seeing good momentum over the past couple of quarters around your metro platform, your modular platform and your 600-gig solution. And if we could bifurcate those for a second, how do you feel about your sustainability around the momentum you've seen in those product lines, particularly heading into 2021? And what is driving your confidence or visibility into that momentum?

[David Heard:]

Yes, it's customer wins and insertion opportunities. So I think the metro is continuing to grow. We continue to invest in those products going forward, and we continue to see a nice sales pipeline and backlog to be able to fulfill. So obviously, we think it's a healthy demand environment from a bandwidth perspective. And we've put the right investments in place to have the right products to serve the demand.

[Joe Cardoso:]

Got it. And then if I could just switch gears here, obviously, it doesn't necessarily come to a surprise that North American Tier 1 service provider customers will reap this quarter. I guess, can you kind of just dive into your visibility, what are you hearing from customers there as we kind of look into 2021? Like, what are they communicating to you in terms of their investment priorities? I'm assuming part of the guide there in terms of the second-half recovery or second-half market growth is particularly around them kind of returning to investment. But just curious to hear, what your visibility into and what you're hearing from your customers specifically? Thanks.

[David Heard:]

Yes, it's a good question. I think, certainly, the market analysts are predicting what the CapEx gains will be this year that certainly was a decline year-over-year in Q4. Again, one of the advantages we have from our diversified customer base is that really didn't impact us greatly in Q4 as it did to some of our competitors. As we look forward, look, I think traffic continues to grow in the core of their network, in the backbone, data center infrastructures continue to get moved for hyperscale application loads. People continue to buy new iPhones that not only download healthy video that is close to 50% of the traffic on the mobile network, but are now starting to upload, a new dynamic are now starting to upload all their content to the cloud to back it up. And so, look, I believe that there's always a pause at the beginning of the year as people lay out their capital budgets with those large service providers. But they've got to continue to keep up with that bandwidth expansion, as I think you've seen from some of the public information coming from some of those large Tier 1s.

[Joe Cardoso:]

Thank you. Pretty convincing. Thank you.

[David Heard:]

I appreciate it.

[Operator:]

The next question is from Rod Hall with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

[David Heard:]

Hey, Rod.

[Rod Hall:]

Yes. Hi. Thanks for the question. I wanted to, I guess, come back to the supply constraint and ask you guys what you've factored into your 2021 revenue guidance for supply constrained or have you factored that in? And is there any potential for that supply constraint to be lifted? And then secondly, I wonder if you could talk, David, a little bit. You said the second-half of the year, you think it will accelerate. What kind of growth do you expect in the second-half, I guess, you'd expect kind of mid-single-digit. And do you - what do you think the drivers of that growth are in the second-half of the year? Thanks.

[Nancy Erba:]

Sure. Rod, I'll take the first part, and then David can go to the second. In our outlook of $340 million to $370 million in Q1, we have $10 million built into that for, I'll call it, risk to the supply chain. All that said, we are actively working every single day to mitigate that risk. Teams are working really hard to do that. So we've got it built into our outlook, and we're doing our best to mitigate it.

[David Heard:]

Yes. For the second part of your question…

[Rod Hall:]

Yes. I just want to make sure I got that. So you're saying $10 million for the full-year is what you're factoring in? Or was that just Q1?

[Nancy Erba:]

Just Q1.

[Rod Hall:]

Okay. And I was asking about the full-year?

[Nancy Erba:]

So we aren't giving full-year guidance at this point. We are going to be working through these constraints. We started to see them at the end of Q4 and are in the midst of it right now. We're going to do our best to mitigate them in the first-half.

[David Heard:]

Yes, you can think in the first-half, when you look at the supply chain. Rod, when you look at the first-half at the supply chain shortages, typically, that number of 10 represents a pretty good number in terms of risk of what we see for the front half of the year. And we'll continue to work to try to mitigate anything for the back half of the year. But that's kind of all contemplated in our internal plans as we go forward. And we'll be more thorough in our Q2 view as we go into Investor Day with the remainder of the year. To your second question, just as we look at the rollout of new technologies and our new technologies that are loaded into our portfolio, both 600-gig, 800-gig and our metro product, that'll really be driven into the back half of the year based on, again, customer trial, certification and the revenue recognition process. We see big drivers for growth in the second-half being this move to compact modular systems with open line systems allowing us new insertion opportunities on a global basis. So 5G is continuing to roll out, bandwidth continuing to grow. And again, the nature of that bandwidth, both uplink and downlink is going to be a big driver for the next couple of years.

[Rod Hall:]

Okay. Thanks a lot, David.

[David Heard:]

Thanks a lot.

[Operator:]

The next question is from John Marchetti with Stifel. Please go ahead.

[John Marchetti:]

Thanks very much. I was wondering if you could spend a minute just talking about some of the strength that you saw in sequentially in the European and Asian markets. Understand the weakness in North American Tier 1, but those markets were a little bit stronger on a sequential basis. I’m curious if you're seeing the release maybe of some pent-up demand. Stuff was delayed through the bulk of 2020 and now some of that’s easing up, or if it's the result of new footprint wins or something along those lines?

[David Heard:]

Yes, I think in Asia, we have some new footprint wins and some opportunities, obviously, given both the pent-up demand in the front half and a better competitive environment for us in Asia. So we had some nice wins there, again, more along the lines on metro portfolio. And in the Europe market, traffic continued to diverse across continents. And so we continued to be very well positioned in that market to be able to drive that growth as well. And obviously, on a weighted average basis against the weakness in the overall North American market, that was a good thing for us in the quarter.

[John Marchetti:]

Got it. And then Nancy, if I can just ask a quick question on the services side, we've had a couple of good quarters of growth. You mentioned you add some renewals. I mean, do we expect that to trend sort of with revenue as we go forward here? Is there more sort of catch-up to be done on the services side? Because that's obviously been part of the margin expansion story as well. Thank you.

[Nancy Erba:]

Good question. Yes, Q4 is typically the quarter when we start - we see these renewals. So it was a good Q4 for us, and we will expect and do expect to see services continue to grow with the revenue base. So we're really pleased with the business. The work the team has been doing in a very challenging environment right now to get out and work with our customers.

[David Heard:]

As the value of growing the embedded base and having the appropriate software to drive those renewal opportunities and create those software annuities for us. Anything else, John?

[John Marchetti:]

Nope, that was it. That was my follow up. I didn't want to get greedy.

[David Heard:]

Okay. Thanks, John.

[Operator:]

The next question is from Alex Henderson with Needham & Company. Please go ahead.

[Alex Henderson:]

Thank you very much. First, just a clarification. You gave book-to-bill was that the book-to-bill for the fourth quarter or was that book-to-bill above one for the full-year or both?

[David Heard:]

So given we don't provide quarterly book-to-bill. We had a strong bookings quarter in Q4 but that was book-to-bill guidance for the year.

[Alex Henderson:]

For the year, correct. What I really wanted to ask is the commentary around the geographies, you had some pretty clear strength in Europe and APAC, are those installations that are ongoing and therefore we should expect that to continue. Similarly, if there was a singular point of pressure at a Tier-1 in the US, is that something that that we should anticipate will continue as we move forward because of a change in their spending patterns or was that particular down graph in the US simply a function of timing of programs?

[David Heard:]

Thanks, it's a good question, Alex. Now, from your US question, it's 100% timing. We're continuing to position well with the US service providers in Tier-1. To your question of international, we've been working really hard to expand our footprint. Again, we've been laying out some good line systems over the last few quarters and expect that to continue over the next two quarters and we're seeing the growth from those. We talked about some new wins last year that we won in the Asia-Pacific marketplace, and those that are beginning to bear fruit, which is a nice thing. So I would expect to see that continue. Albeit, these things have been slow on a quarterly basis.

[Alex Henderson:]

Just a follow-up question, if I could. No mention of Huawei in anything that's been said so far. I assume that you're seeing significant change in the status of Huawei and a lot of your customers or potential customers, can you give us some context and some sense of what kind of momentum there might be in winning new customers, new footprint, from either 800 Gig or from the Huawei replacement opportunity?

[David Heard:]

Thanks, Alex. Yes, I think we're just trying to be cautious not to get ahead of our skis in pounding this one too hard. We are seeing a tremendous uptick in RFPRQ activity, we are bidding deals, we are getting design wins, and as you know, by the time we get the gear quarter deployed out there and score this revenue, we just expect that to be a growth dynamic as we get into 2022, but it is accelerating. If you've probably heard from others in the industry, it is a multi-year game of which we expect to see the first appreciable uptick as we exit 2021 into 2022.

[Alex Henderson:]

Great, I appreciate the answers. Thank you.

[David Heard:]

Thanks, Alex.

[Operator:]

The next question is from Simon Leopold with Raymond James. Please go ahead.

[Simon Leopold:]

Hey, thanks for taking the questions. First thing I wanted to just maybe unpack the gross margin forecast a little bit. I'm trying to understand the sequential decline your guiding to volumes knocked down all that much. I'm just wondering how much of the sequential decline is because you had a very stable customer mix in your fourth quarter or if there are other issues in the supply chain. Maybe if you can help build a bridge between Q4 and the Q1 guide gross margin? I've got a follow-up.

[David Heard:]

Well, Q1, you know that you'd normally a seasonally down quarter. So there's impact on margin from that. As we look at the mix we're expecting for next quarter in terms of the product mix, that's going to have an impact and we're going to continue to try and drive and focus on the same things we've been focusing on, which is insertion opportunities, which is driving cost reductions, and which is providing excellent service to our customers. As we look forward, we plan for the year to expand gross margin 300 to 400 basis points. So that full-year expansion is similar to what we have been saying for the last year or so. We continue to see our ability and are confident in our ability to achieve that margin expansion for the full-year. Yes, I would say, there's a bit of mix in terms of line system deployment that we intend to see, but let's not forget and I know last year Q1 is a terrible compare, because we're up 700 basis points to the midpoint. But we are feeling more confident and again last year we talked about our margin expansion to 200 to 400 basis points after we got off our Q1 call and that was delivered in 2020. We expect and are confident in that 300 to 400 basis points in 2021.

[Simon Leopold:]

Great, thank you for that. As a follow-up, I wanted to dig in a little bit deeper on the longer term Huawei opportunity. I appreciate the timing issues that I get. What I'm trying to gain is really a better understanding of your competitiveness. If we consider the fact that Transmode was an European asset, you've the roots that Nokia-Siemens Networks, also a European domiciled asset, you clearly have relationships in Europe. So with that as a backdrop, how do you see your ability to take some of that Huawei share versus your closest competitors in that market?

[David Heard:]

Yes, I think as we continue to invest in innovative technologies and the right feature sets to get there, I think we're uniquely positioned. As you mentioned Huawei, certainly there's an opportunity there and maybe some of the other suppliers that could step up to that are going through their own vulnerabilities at this stage. So I think we're very well positioned to go through it. You know, we've got resources all over this and are treating this as a very focused go to market activity for our company. We just again, don't want to get ahead of our skis here in terms of expectations.

[Simon Leopold:]

Thank you.

[Operator:]

The next question is from Meta Marshall with Morgan Stanley, please go ahead.

[Meta Marshall:]

Great. Just a couple of quick questions. In terms of as 800 Gig gets rolled out over the next year, are there still ICP or major customers of Cloud Express that still need to be moved to Groove before we can assume shorter upgrade cycles from Groove to 800 Gig versus bigger less that might need to be from Cloud Express to the Groove platform in general? Maybe second question, is there still a gross margin drag from ICP customer on 200 gig versus 600 gig or is that headwind gone away at this point?

[David Heard:]

Both excellent questions. From the first one on the compact modular platform, it's a lot easier to insert into that environment, because quite frankly, you can have coexistence or rip and replace just like servers are in data centers. So when it comes to the opportunity, don't forget, we're still selling a lot of 100 gig, 200 gig and we're still selling that the Cloud Express platform, XP Platform as we go. So that is not one that disappears. Those tend to have very long cycles. We believe 800 gig will be a very long cycle. We think this is a four to six years cycle product as we get it out into the marketplace. On your second question, yes, absolutely in some of the product categories where we're not vertically integrated, that can have a drag and still has a small drag on the company. I would expect that to continue through 2021 and as we get into 2022, for that based on product cycle to really begin falling off.

[Meta Marshall:]

I thought there was an ICP customer who had started their transition, that's 600 gig and away from 200 gig, which was particularly kind of detrimental to gross margin, any progress there on that specific customer being a definitive headwind?

[David Heard:]

Yes. As we mentioned, our 600 gig sales did go up in in Q4 and in particular with an ICP, so that was contributory to the margin increase that we experienced in Q4 as we predicted earlier in the year.

[Meta Marshall:]

Great, thanks.

[Operator:]

The next question is from Jeff Kvaal with Wolf Research. Please go ahead.

[Jeff Kvaal:]

Good afternoon, everyone. I'm hoping maybe to broaden the competitive landscape competition and question a bit. You mentioned vulnerabilities from some of your rivals impeding their ability to take share from Huawei. It sounds as though maybe there are some opportunities take share from other folks other than Huawei? That would be very, very helpful. Thank you.

[David Heard:]

Yes, I think when we look at the overall optical market, it's a very large market with many players in it, but when we look at it, the number one player is Huawei. Obviously, there's a vulnerability there. The number three player there is Nokia. Certainly, it is publicly acknowledged that they're going through their own portfolio rationalization and their prioritization of their resources, which I would imagine are very weighted on 5G. When we look at the technology cycles they've invested, they have not invested in that 800 gig cycle as well. So what a difference a year makes for us? We are now in the financial position, the operational position, and then technology position to play a little bit on offense and we're really being mindful. But we think that there's opportunity for us to grow our share in the future and this is a foundational year for us to really set our feet on solid ground and in the back half of the year to really begin with that share gain and with the Huawei opportunity as we get into 2022. Did that help?

[Jeff Kvaal:]

Yes, that's what I was hoping you would go. So, thank you. My follow-up is a similar question just on the DSP side, now that we've got pretty good visibility on the Acacia deal closing. I'm wondering if you have further comments on how Acacia being part of Cisco may change the competitive dynamics in the space?

[David Heard:]

I think since the company was founded, Tom and Dave have talked about the importance of vertical integration. It's one of the things that recruited me here to the company, because it is such a valuable asset as bandwidth continues to grow and as these systems go at higher and higher speeds and bigger and bigger waves. So I think it's essential for companies to have scale and vertical integration, which is why we are investing a significant portion of our R&D dollars in that portion of the market. It just so happens, we're doing that at a time when people can open up line systems to let the best transponder win. As you know, our aim is always to build the best product to drive that price performance dollar per bit spectrum efficiency on a go forward basis. We're going take every competitor very seriously. I think that Cisco-Acacia is now will be positioned as a vertically integrated scales competitor and we look forward to meeting them in the market as they complete the transaction. So pretty profitable week for Acacia for that one week that they broke up on.

[Jeff Kvaal:]

Yes, yes, was not bad. Thank you very much.

[David Heard:]

Thank you, Jeff.

[Operator:]

The next question is from Jim Suva with Citi. Please go ahead.

[Jim Suva:]

Thank you very much. I know you mentioned that you expect that the market to grow next year and for you to outgrow that. Can you talk a little bit about seasonality for this year for the quarters? You mentioned seasonal for the March quarter, but I'm wondering about beyond that, and not really comparing it to last year, because last year was COVID, but any comments on seasonality on revenues or costs that we should be mindful of? Are there additional merit increases coming on or seasonality, something that we should be mindful of versus your historical excluding COVID? Thank you.

[David Heard:]

Good question, Jim. As I mentioned in the prepared remarks, we're expecting the first-half of the year to be flat to slightly ahead of the market and ahead of what we did last year, with growth really coming in the second-half of the year. In the first-half and in the first quarter in particular, you're right, we do have increased employee costs, which are normal for the first quarter of the year as taxes and other payroll impacts take effect. Then for us explicitly, in 2020, as we were really focused on driving profitability in a COVID environment, we did take salary reductions for certain employees and reduced bonus. So those will be added back in the year as well. But really the year in total growing slightly ahead of the market, really important. We are driving profitability, we plan to get cash flow from operations positive generating cash and expanding our margin 300 to 400 basis points.

[Jim Suva:]

Then my last question is your commentary of growing slightly more than the market, people in different parts of the country view slightly differently, is that kind of 100 to 200 basis points or is that kind of 300 to 500? I'm just curious of what's a general view of how you define slightly if possible or at least help us bracket it? So we don't over exaggerate or get too ahead of ourselves.

[David Heard:]

I would say 1% to 2%, low single digit.

[Jim Suva:]

Thank you so much. That's above the market. Thank you so much for your details and quantifications. I greatly appreciate it.

[Operator:]

The next question is from George Notter with Jeffries. Please go ahead.

[George Notter:]

Hi, guys. Thanks very much. I guess I wanted to ask about the ICE6 contribution in year. As you look at your top line growth you expect to the year, is ICE6 a big contributor there? Is it five points of revenue in the year 10? Any kind of zip code you could give us around that would be great?

[David Heard:]

Yes, we plan for the for them to ramp that. Again, we continue to mention we'll start based on the revenue recognition cycles. We're not expecting that to be based on port shipments. When you look at total port shipments, we're not expecting that to be a large double-digit contributor in 2021. We're expecting the orders and backlog that we get throughout the year to set up for a nice back half exit to the year and a really healthy ramp in 2022.

[George Notter:]

Then, just to clarify, when do you expect initial rev rec on ICE6? Is that is that Q1, is it Q2?

[David Heard:]

As we said, the ramp is anything meaningful. We think you want to pay attention to will be in the second-half.

[George Notter:]

Got it. Then there's also I think there was some development going on a DTX version of ICE6, that's more oriented around carrier customers. Is that still under development, and when might that be coming to market?

[David Heard:]

Again, we've got a whole host of ICE6 developments coming to the market. Our first products coming out are both for the ICP, as well as the CSP customers. But over the next, you know, 18 to 24 months, we'll continue to have both performance enhancements as well as additional products coming to the market that first product on the GX platform is honed both for the ICP as well as the CSP market in terms of features and functionality. And we've already received purchase orders from both ICP and large CSP for them.

[George Notter:]

Okay, all right. Very good. Thanks a lot.

[Operator:]

The next question is from Ryan Koontz with Rosenblatt Securities. Please go ahead.

[Ryan Koontz:]

Hi, thanks for the question. Circling back to the ICP topic. You know, pretty good quarter there. How would you characterize your business there? Is it mostly long haul or more Metro DCI? And how would you characterize the threat from ZR to that business? Thanks.

[David Heard:]

Yes, no, it's a good question. The threat from ZR, everybody continues to you know, this has been an ongoing discussion for a couple of years. And I think as ZR comes in, folks using the optic for ZR, and in ZR plus in the metro, I think has been sized by 2024, to be about an $800 million to $900 million market out of the $12 billion-ish market opportunity. You know, we do have a good mix of business with the ICP. It is both in Metro DCI, long haul and subsea. And those are areas in ultra long haul and subsea where you will not see ZR based on reach and you will not see ZR plus based on spectral efficiency or reach performance. So, we continue to use ZR and ZR plus when it gets here as a nice cost reduction for our Metro opportunities. And again, the forecasts continue to come in when those products will be available. We're very active in that, since we have the compact modular platforms that can use those as well. And again, it's not a huge impact to the overall market. Again, I think you're showing me now it's closer to 400 to 600 by 2024.

[Ryan Koontz:]

Super helpful. And just a quick clarification on the $10 million supply chain impact is that intended in the guide that's at risk? Or is that above the guide that is pushed out?

[David Heard:]

So the guide that excludes the $10 million that we wouldn't have been able to get. Those conditions did not exist.

[Ryan Koontz:]

Yes. Perfect. Thanks so much.

[Operator:]

The next question is from Tim Savageaux with Northland Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

[Tim Savageaux:]

Hey, good afternoon. Try not to ramble here, but hopefully you see where I'm headed. And the question about the dynamics in Q4, I thought you guys are pretty sanguine about the Tier 1 issue, in the last call, kind of looking forward. And obviously, you saw some pretty significant declines. I assume you didn't have any 10% customers in the quarter? Maybe not even for the year, but could be close. And I don't know if you address that, and that sort of parent statical. But, given the degree of weakness with your historically largest customer mean, did that come is somewhat as a surprise? And were you able to then proactively offset with opportunities in Europe and Asia? It seems like you did have receivables extend and some of that dynamic could have been there. I'm just interested in your thoughts on that.

[David Heard:]

Thanks, Tim. So certainly, our number one customer was an 11% customer for the year. And look, those large customers have been flow. So, the likes of the Verizon's, the AT&Ts, companies like that have been slow. I think we saw the North American service provider CapEx down year-on-year 22% or so. And I think that was experienced by a lot of the competition in terms of their guide. We just have a more diversified customer base. We are winning insertion opportunities in those Tier 1, which is, you know, taking time to be able to scale and grow. We do believe, again, those Tier 1 are expected to grow their CapEx. And we're expecting that to really take more of the effect in the second-half of the year, which I think is consistent with other companies in our infrastructure space in terms of what they're seeing.

[Nancy Erba:]

And on your comment on the DSO. Remember that in Q4, we have the renewals for the services piece. So that tends to bump up DSO in Q4.

[Tim Savageaux:]

Got it. And if I could follow up briefly. I mean, I think we saw there with that customers are pretty broad, they shut down and impacted a lot of different people. So you know, that's more kind of along the lines of program timing, although, as we head forward, you know, to what extent does competition share shifts at that customer or other large North American customers impact your first-half or your annual guide, relative to some of the supply issues and other factors that you mentioned. Thanks.

[David Heard:]

No, I appreciate that, again, based on more a game than to lose there. So it's been factored in, our current outlook factors in a lighter spending from Tier 1 in the in the front half and heavier in the back half. And again, we've got, as Nancy said, a pretty strong start to the quarter, we're just not going to get ahead of our skis. We have a nice pipeline. Our product portfolio is feeling good. And it's time for us to execute. But again, we're trying to be very mindful of the front half of the year given the market conditions.

[Tim Savageaux:]

Okay, thanks.

[Operator:]

The next question is from Fahad Najam with MKM Partners. Please go ahead.

[Fahad Najam:]

To continue my question. I have a couple of question if I may, one kind of focused on the near term on. If I look at the 800 gig opportunity ICE6, if I want to compare this to your leading competitor, I think they've mentioned they have 5000 modems shipped to almost 70 customers, by my math that suggests that policy -- the 2x ramp in their 800 gig shipment versus any previous upgrade cycle. Can you share with us how many design wins you've had? I may have missed that and can you quantify what kind of a ramp or magnitude of ramp you're seeing with 800 gig design wins? And then have a longer term question .

[David Heard:]

Good question. I think and the first piece, the pipeline and demand in front of us is strong and continuing to grow. So it's surprisingly strong given past generations of technology. So that's good. As we mentioned, we closed several purchase orders in design wins in Q4. Those continued to build in Q1 and as we get into our Q1 results and into our Q2 investor day, we'll be able to kind of start plotting that course but it is I agree with you, it is going to be a steeper longer curve than previous technology generations in our opinions based on the fact that we see in front of us. You had a second question.

[Fahad Najam:]

Yes. So on your comment about component shortages in your book-to-bill. I just want to make sure I understand that your book-to-bill comment doesn't factor in any kind of push outs of revenue that you may have booked this quarter that was impacted. For this application , you see any revenue impact this quarter from component shortages? And is the book-to-bill kind of being driven by any kind of over ordering by your customers who are concerned about component shortages throughout the year?

[David Heard:]

Yes, it's a good question. And Nancy, will jump in here. But I think. No, I mean, bookings, our book-to-build ratio that we looked at was to give you a color that our bookings in Q4 were strong, and that we ended the year with more bookings, than revenue. So we're carrying backlog. The suggestion on the supply chain, we did start to see this in Q4. And it's not just the semiconductor shortages, but also COVID. And I think Nancy, that was about $5 million of impact-ish to our quarter.

[Nancy Erba:]

Yes.

[David Heard:]

That again -- always impacted even more heightened bids at end the year. And as we go forward, as we've said that the $10 million impact in Q1, given some of the lead time associated with some of the families that are coming out, some have been quoted it moving from 16 weeks, or 14 weeks to 30 weeks, or 52 weeks. Now, we saw this early. And so our supply chain began to react because we're in the right working capital position that we're in. Thank you, Nancy and team, we were in a much better position to respond and our supply chain team is doing a nice job there.

[Operator:]

Next question is from John Roy with Water Tower Research. Please go ahead.

[John Roy:]

Great. And I wanted to take a step back a little bit. I know we're getting near the end here. But I wanted to talk about how much you're being held back by COVID. Do you feel that if things get better in the next nine months and whatever, and the vaccines go through, etcetera? But you really could see an acceleration of things? Or are you pretty much going as fast as you can? What's really curious as to how much you feel like you're being held back by the lockdown?

[David Heard:]

Yes, I mean, it's hard to quantify everything is harder in COVID, servicing equipment, rolling new technologies out. Everything across the board is certainly harder in a COVID environment. But the team buckled down and if you look at the results as we are in Q1 now and where we were last year, I think we accomplished a heck of a lot in that environment. Now, customer spend and ability to get new technologies implemented across borders and implemented I think you've heard that across. But at this point in time, we're not going to put, what would the annual number in the uptick be if it went away. Because we're just not thinking that way, we're thinking, we build a solid foundation; we're in an entirely different spot now than we were last year. And we're trying to, again, as I mentioned, move from that defense to offense, because we think there's a real market opportunity in front of us, regardless of whether there's COVID, supply chain shortages, our job is execute with any market condition that's thrown at us.

[John Roy:]

Right, that's great. And also maybe in the future as things progress, any obviously any kind of hints as to things changing on the COVID front from your supplies, and your demand would be greatly appreciated. So we can know, at least what you're seeing. But that's it for me.

[David Heard:]

Yes. It's a good point. We're trying to do that by incorporating and giving you the color on, what impact we kind of saw in Q4, what impact we're seeing in Q1, trying to be mindful and give you that data so you can you can kind of digest it. Operator, we'll take one last question.

[Operator:]

And that question is from Jon Lopez with Vertical Group. Please go ahead.

[Jon Lopez:]

Hey, thanks very much. I just had a clarification and then one question. Nancy the deferred in Q4 was pretty strong. It looks kind of, I don't know, upper ended seasonal perhaps a bit better. Is that all just the services renewal or was there any product contribution in there? Can you just maybe talk a sec about what drove that?

[Nancy Erba:]

It's both. So services certainly drive the deferred revenue in Q4. But, you know, as we've talked about, we're seeing good demand and just the increase in both products as well as services in Q4.

[Jon Lopez:]

Okay, great. And then, I just want to come back to the Tier 1 side for a quick second. If we kind of take that one day customer out, your tier one business to the year, for the quarter and for the year was actually quite strong. I mean, it looks like a group that in double digits for the year in what wasn't a terrific environment. I guess I'm just wondering, can you just talk a bit about what drove that portion of the business specifically kind of Tier 1 exited the customer? Was there anything one-time COVID-related in 2020? And is that sort of sustainable base that you think you can build from in '21 and beyond?

[David Heard:]

Sustainable basis, especially when you compare it to the competition and a lot of these Tier 1, as I mentioned, we have more opportunity in front of us than risk.

[Jon Lopez:]

Very good.

[David Heard:]

Build, all of their infrastructure builds more opportunity than risk.

[Operator:]

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to David Heard for any closing remarks.

[David Heard:]

Yes, no, I appreciate everybody's thoughtful questions. You know, what a year, what a difference a year makes for us. 2020 was a solid year for Infinera. I would like to thank our customers, suppliers, partners and our shareholders, and especially our employees who braved the global pandemic to do some really heroic things on behalf of our customers and the overall ITT community. You know, to keep the world coming and to keep this going across and keep the world connected. We're really excited for the opportunities that we face in 2021. And I will tell you, our focus, our laser focus is on execution. So thank you all and be well.

[Operator:]

The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.