Jones Lang LaSalle Incorporated
Q4 2019 Earnings Call Transcript

Published: 11 Feb 2020

[Operator:]

Good morning. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Jones Lang LaSalle Incorporated Fourth Quarter Earnings Conference Call. For your information, this conference is being recorded. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers’ remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. Thank you. I would now like to turn the conference over to Chris Stent, Executive Managing Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

[Chris Stent:]

Thank you and good morning. Welcome to our fourth quarter 2019 conference call for Jones Lang LaSalle Incorporated.

[Christian Ulbrich:]

Thank you, Chris, and welcome, everyone, to this review of our results for the full year and fourth quarter of 2019. Stephanie Plaines, our CFO, will share details of our financial performance following my introductory remarks. 2019 was a very exciting year for JLL, with significant achievements on our Beyond strategy, capped off by strong financial performance. For the full year, we reached record adjusted EPS of $14.09, 16% growth over prior year in local currency. We delivered adjusted EBITDA of over $1.1 billion, representing 18% growth over 2018 and outpacing fee revenue growth of 12%. In the fourth quarter of 2019, adjusted earnings per share was $6.35, 7% higher in local currency than in Q4 2018. Adjusted EBITDA was $494 million for the quarter, a 19% increase in local currency. These excellent results are a product of strong Americas performance, combined with robust contribution from LaSalle Investment Management. To put our performance into context, real estate fundamentals remain strong amid a cautious global environment. GDP growth eased lending at 2.6% for the year. Slide 2 in our supplemental slides show overall real estate market activity. Global investment volumes achieved a record year for the total of $800 billion, up 4% over 2018. Rising allocations to real estate, healthy supply and demand fundamentals and low interest rates continue to support a robust global real estate investment environment.

[Stephanie Plaines:]

Thank you, Christian, and welcome to everyone on our call. I’m pleased to report the JLL delivered record full year results across fee revenue, adjusted EBITDA and adjusted earnings per share, driven by solid real estate services organic growth, contributions from the acquired HFF business and exceptional results from LaSalle. Before I get into more specifics, a quick reminder that we report percentage changes in local currency, unless otherwise noted. For the year, consolidated revenue totaled $18 billion and consolidated fee revenue reached $7.1 billion, each representing 12% growth against 2018. As Christian noted, our full year 2019 adjusted EBITDA surpassed the $1 billion mark for the first time coming in at $1.1 billion. This represents a tremendous accomplishment made possible by our 93,000 JLL employees around the world. Real estate services fee revenue increased 13% for the year and was balanced between organic growth and contributions from recent acquisitions. Organic growth of 6% with broad based, with the most notable increases in Leasing and Project & Development Services. New client wins and expansion of mandates with corporate solutions clients generated 7% growth in our outsourcing business. Fourth quarter fee revenue growth of 13% was led by the Americas, which benefited from the HFF acquisition and strong results and growth, Project & Development Services and Advisory & Consulting across all geographic segments. Our LaSalle business had an exceptional quarter, achieving nearly 30% advisory fee growth combined with significant incentive fees. Our record top line results converted well to an impressive adjusted EBITDA margin of 20.8% in Q4 and 15.6% for the year, which was near the top of the 14% to 16% target range we provided you last quarter For the year, the 90 basis point net expansion reflected contributions primarily from organic RES growth and HFF, combined with investments and growth initiatives including client facing technology. Please refer to Slide 5 of our supplemental slides for further details. Turning to our balance sheet, net debt was $861 million, an increase from a year ago reflecting cash outflows to acquire HFF partially offset by fourth quarter debt repayment. Cash flow from operations totaled $735 million for the quarter of which approximately 80% was utilized for debt repayment, consistent with our cash use priorities previously communicated. We finished the year well positioned with net debt to adjusted EBITDA of 0.8 times, a decline from 1.4 times in the third quarter. We did not repurchase any shares during the fourth quarter.

[Christian Ulbrich:]

Thank you, Stephanie. Looking at the 2020 market outlook, economic and geopolitical uncertainty will continue to impact the global economy with GDP forecasted to moderate by 10 basis points to 2.5%. Most economists forecast the risk of recession to remain low. Any impact from the coronavirus needs to be seen. JLL research outlook for commercial real estate global investment volumes remains elevated, driven by the long-term trend of rising asset allocation in the sector. However, research forecast reflects some moderation in those volumes from the record levels seen in 2019. Investors conviction and the performance of the real estate sector remains strong and is supported by robust supply and demand fundamentals in many global markets and healthy spreads to risk-free rates. While leasing, office demand is forecasted to moderate, but remain at a healthy level. In some markets, activity will be constrained by a lack of available space. We remain convinced in our ability to grow our business in this environment and in 2020 to deliver results consistent with our 2025 long-term growth targets, as Stephanie previously mentioned. We remain mindful of our growth within the broader context of corporate citizenship. We are very pleased to see that the responsibility of the Global Corporates and the role businesses have to play more generally, has gained tremendous momentum. This responsibility is a critical part of our Beyond Strategy, and we are very focused on delivering a sustainable future for all of our stakeholders. On the back of our long-standing values, we have replaced and shortened JLL’s purpose to reshape the future of real estate for a better world. This helps to explain of what we do, but why we do it, and serves as a guiding principle that unites our entire organization. Mitigating climate change and limiting our carbon footprint, in line with the aims of the Paris Climate Agreement, is one element of it. We formed our Global Sustainability Board in 2012 and started to run a major global sustainability campaign in 2015 under the headline of building a better tomorrow. Having achieved our current round of environmental targets well ahead of schedule, we are setting new science based targets. In line with those efforts, we joined the world economic forms a line of CEO Climate Leaders. I met recently with this group of fellow business leaders in Davos to discuss global efforts to reach net zero carbon emissions by 2050, and set initiatives in advance of the 2020 United Nations Climate Change COP26, that will be held in the UK in November. Also at Davos, JLL was unveiled as one of the five founding partners in the launch of Bloomberg Green, a major multi-platform global initiative focused on climate change, news, analysis and solutions. We believe it is essential for the business community to pool knowledge, resources and best practices to help address the management and mitigation of climate change damaging emissions. Our involvement in Bloomberg Green is an example of JLL working with other leading global businesses to address climate change. JLL will play a full and energetic part consistent with our core commitment to shaping the future of real estate for a better world. Finally, we are delighted that JLL has again been included on Fortune’s annual list of the world’s most admired companies, which was announced last month. To close these prepared remarks, I would like to recognize and thank all of our people around the world for continuing to serve our clients and shareholders and JLL so well. In particular, I would like to recognize Trish Maxson, our Chief Administrative Officer and Global Board member, for her incredible work at JLL. She recently announced her decision to retire at the end of March after an impressive and wide ranging carrier. She has played a key role at JLL and the development of the Beyond Strategic Vision, sustainability ambition and the execution of our transformation program as well as being a trusted adviser to the Board of Directors and to me personally. Thank you, Trish, for your contribution to JLL over the past eight years, and wishing you the very best on the next chapter. Now let’s take your questions. Operator, please explain the Q&A process.

[Operator:]

Your first question comes from Anthony Paolone from JPMorgan. Your line is open.

[Anthony Paolone:]

Thank you and good morning. So I was wondering if we could start on Asia Pacific. How should we think about, say, at least the next couple of quarters given the geopolitical disruption in Hong Kong and the virus, like how do we think about that in your broader growth forecast for 2020?

[Christian Ulbrich:]

It’s Christian here. I think it’s too early to really call on that. We are right at the start of a situation, which is very hard to read from the outside. When we look back to the SARS virus, the markets rebounded very, very quickly at the time. So it didn’t really impacted the longer-term performance in that year, in the real estate markets, but we don’t know whether we have a comparable situation to the SARS virus or whether it is different. And so for the time being, there’s a bit of a pause in the market. Our people are working from home, as most companies keep their people at home, but we will come back to that topic after the first quarter.

[Stephanie Plaines:]

I’d add a bit to Christian’s remarks. So a reminder, our business in Asia Pacific is well diversified. So we – more than 50% of the business is annuity based. So as we’re probably seeing the largest impacts happen in the transactional side short-term on the capital markets on the leasing, but we’re pretty balanced there. And China represents a little less and less 5% of our total fee revenue across the globe.

[Anthony Paolone:]

Okay. And on – just another follow-up on Asia. I think you mentioned properties and facilities management and the annuity fee stream. I think that was impacted, I think, by some contract timing in the fourth quarter. Does that like self-correct in 1Q or 2Q? Or do you have some tough comps for a couple of quarters there?

[Stephanie Plaines:]

Yes, that is a timing issue on that one. So you're exactly right, Tony. So that should self-correct in 2020 on that one.

[Anthony Paolone:]

Okay. And then more broadly, you mentioned the 14% to 16% margins for real estate services component. I don't have all the data in front of me to make that comparison precisely with 2019. Can you maybe just talk about some of the puts and takes that we should expect in 2020?

[Stephanie Plaines:]

Sure. And just a clarification on that, the 14% to 16% is our total JLL and not just RES. So obviously, with the 15.6% that we had this year, the kind of puts and takes would be, obviously, we're really pleased with the LaSalle performance. That's influencing that number, it's our second highest on record performance. So we would not expect, obviously, that would be something that was easily repeated as we head into 2020. So that will represent, obviously, detraction from the margin expansion year-on-year. And I think, as you heard in our prepared remarks, the Leasing business, particularly in the U.S., we've been going double-digit consecutively growth for the past five quarters. So while we're very enthusiastic about 2020 on that, that's also something that is hard to repeat. And you see that also in our Q4 results in Leasing. So those are the things that are weighing in that mix, that would still keep us very comfortable on that 14% to 16% range, if you will, for 2020.

[Anthony Paolone:]

Okay. You had, I think, it was 35 basis points of drag from just growth initiatives in 2019. Will there be more of those? Or does that flip the other way? Or how does that work?

[Stephanie Plaines:]

Sure. So it doesn't fit the other way. I think what's notable in 2019, we've talked about on previous calls, is our investment in our platform ERP systems. We're cycling that now. So you're seeing a little less spend on the technology investments. That's just a function of not repeating those investments. So we would expect, going forward, to have about a fifty-fifty percent balance in tech and non-tech spend going forward, largely, will vary a little bit year-on-year. And then with the cash flows, I think, you saw us report, we're heavily investing, obviously, organically back into the business. So we will keep our foot on the gas with priority investments.

[Anthony Paolone:]

Okay, great. Thank you.

[Stephanie Plaines:]

Thank you.

[Operator:]

Your next question comes from Jade Rahmani from KBW. Your line is open.

[Jade Rahmani:]

Thanks very much. Just wanted to confirm regarding your guidance, what the fee revenue baseline for real estate services is on which you're projecting 6% to 8% growth? Should we take the consolidated summary for real estate services of $6.636 billion, and just multiply that by one plus 6% and 8%, respectively, which would be a range of $7.0 billion to $7.2 billion for real estate services fee revenue? Or should we take the reported results for 2019 and subtract HFF and grow that by 6% to 8%?

[Stephanie Plaines:]

Yes, so hi Jade. I would definitely use use the former. So that 6% to 8% is organic constant currency. Just as a reminder, so we're 6.3%, so we're saying that, that is the base, and that we intend to stay within that range as our target operating for top line growth RES. So that's the way that I would approach it.

[Jade Rahmani:]

Okay. So the first set of numbers I mentioned with what you're referring to?

[Stephanie Plaines:]

Yes, exactly Jade.

[Jade Rahmani:]

Okay. I was wondering, can you just give some commentary around deal pipelines and how they're shaping up. There's been a lot of news with respect to co-working there's also, I'm starting to hear the way VC fund investments are managing there their capital spend, their budgets, I feel like there's a pullback brewing, I have also heard some anecdotes about sublease space in certain markets picking up. So I would like to get some sense of overall deal pipelines and if there are any areas of concern with respect to either co-working or VC-funded tech companies?

[Christian Ulbrich:]

Well, as you heard from our ambitions to grow in 2020 6% to 8% top line revenue, deal pipeline is continued to be seen very strong. The dry powder on the Capital Markets front is at a record high, and there's a lot of money waiting to get into that asset class. And so despite the very strong comps of the last two years, we expect volumes to be about in line with the previous years on the Capital Markets side. On the Leasing side, the picture is slightly more mixed. The U.S. in most markets will continue to be very strong, deal pipeline is very strong, and so we expect that we will see a very nice performance there, not disregarding Stephanie's earlier comments that we had very, very – we have very, very tough comps, but still about on that level. In EMEA, it is a bit more market-by-market. In some markets, it's actually the supply side, which is not available to the extent where we could fill it by demand. And so we expect volumes there to be slightly lower than in the previous year, but year, but still very healthy demand. And so the only area of concern, for us, for the time being, is actually indeed, Greater China and the wider impact of the current situation there, especially in the first quarter. And as I said earlier, it's too early to make a call for the whole year. But overall, we are quite confident with regards to deal pipeline on the transactional side. And then your specific question around co-working. We obviously saw a decline in that in the fourth quarter. It was about 4% of our leasing revenues for JLL. We expect that number to go slightly down, although the demand from occupiers for flex space has continued to grow. But obviously, the way we are doing revenues with flex space providers is as well as for the providers we work for them as we work for the occupiers. The occupier side will continue to grow. The flex-based providers themselves are slightly more muted in their growth pipeline at the moment.

[Jade Rahmani:]

In terms of the leasing outlook, overall, in the first and second quarters of last year, you had double-digit growth that, I think, was up close to 20% for the first quarter, nearly 13% in the second quarter. Should we be projecting positive growth in the Leasing business overall, and the comps are even tougher in Americas? Or is it reasonable to expect there'll be declines on expect there'll be declines on a year-over-year basis?

[Christian Ulbrich:]

Well, we always plan for growth. We are a growth company, and we have shown in the past that we are excellent in taking market share, and that is our expectation for 2020 as well. I think we won't see the same type of growth in the Americas what we have seen over the last couple of quarters, but I'm still very confident that we will see growth. We probably will see – as the comparison is slightly easier for us, we will probably see more growth in EMEA. And as I said, we are slightly more concerned around the outlook for Asia Pacific, not down to JLL, but down to the overall, at the moment, very uncertain market environment.

[Jade Rahmani:]

Okay. Turning to HFF, is retention of key producers tracking close to your expectations? And are there any early in the year, performance compensation payouts that we should be aware of that could impact departures?

[Christian Ulbrich:]

Well, first and foremost, we are incredibly pleased how that integration has been going so far. And as we said in our prepared remarks, we had a slightly higher broker attrition rate than we forecasted before we merged the two companies. But as we also said in our prepared remarks, what we underestimated is our opportunity to take benefit of cross-selling between the different service lines. And so, over a slightly longer period, we are absolutely convinced that the loss of revenues, which we will have from broker departure, will be more than offset by those cross-selling opportunities. HFF, as our legacy business, has shown in the past an enormous resilience and the ability to grow in every market environment. So you will see a more than confident that we are looking forward to a great year from those two merged service lines.

[Jade Rahmani:]

And in terms of the timing of compensation, are there any large payouts early in the year that take place?

[Christian Ulbrich:]

No. No, we are very relaxed with regard to the question whether there will be more broker attrition. Every kind of tough decision is behind us with regards to that merger it is business as usual now. People are all fired up to demonstrate great services to our clients in 2020.

[Jade Rahmani:]

Okay, thanks. Just a last one, I appreciate the comments you made about corporate governance and climate change with the initiatives the company is doing to address that. On the revenue side, is there – are you thinking about developing? Or do you currently have advisory consulting services around building owners, initiatives to address sustainability and building resiliency? Is this a meaningful revenue opportunity for a company, an integrated full-service company like JLL?

[Christian Ulbrich:]

Well, in a company which delivers $18 billion of revenues, meaningful with a big word, but it is a very important area for us because it is the right thing to do. And we already bought into a sustainability advisory business back in 2008 in the UK, and that business has been growing very fast since then. For the last couple of years, we are trying to expand that to a global business, and we have hundreds of experts around that topic who are advising our clients. And yes, it will show very significant growth rates over the next couple of years, but before it will be meaningful within the benchmark of $18 billion, it will take some time.

[Jade Rahmani:]

Thank you very much.

[Operator:]

Your next question comes from Stephen Sheldon from William Blair. Your line is open.

[Stephen Sheldon:]

Thanks. Good morning. Wanted to see if you could provide a little more detail on the slight pickup in broker attrition. Was that more in the legacy JLL producer base or the HFF base? Any way to roughly quantify the impact as a percentage of producers? And then timing-wise, I guess, when did that start to pick up?

[Christian Ulbrich:]

It was about twice as high on the JLL legacy side than on the HFF side, which is not surprising as the HFF business, which came in is a very strong business with a very strong leadership, and that was the reason why we were so keen to get together with them. It took place kind of over the course of the third quarter, and I would say, in the first 90 to 120 days of coming together. It slowed down than in November, December, that's why we believe that this is pretty much behind us. And we are not talking about any super disturbing numbers. You see the performance of our Capital Markets business, it's still very strong. Though the attrition was slightly higher than we expected, I was still surprised about the revenue per producer because we would have thought that the revenue per producer would be slightly lower in the third and the fourth quarter, but we were positively surprised. And so despite that attrition rate, the numbers are still very strong.

[Stephen Sheldon:]

Got it, that’s helpful. And then second, just one of the standout items in the quarter was the Americas adjusted EBITDA margin. It sounds like roughly half of the margin expansion was driven by cost containment. So I wanted to ask, generally, where you are in terms of driving more efficiency in the Americas operations? Is there still quite a bit of margin expansion potential for standardizing around some of the platforms you've rolled out as we look out over the next few years?

[Christian Ulbrich:]

Well, one element of driving growth into an organization like ours is really taking advantage of scale. And our investment into the ERP platforms has been very much driven by that approach that we want to become more cost-effective and increase the overall productivity of our organization. And we are on a journey there, and we have a couple of more years where we see opportunity to take costs out. So we are very optimistic with regards to becoming a more efficient organization going forward.

[Stephen Sheldon:]

Thank you.

[Operator:]

Your next question comes from Jason Weaver from Compass Point. Your line is open.

[Jason Weaver:]

Hi, thanks and good morning. Stephanie I was just going back to the EBITDA margins for a moment. Given the 2019 momentum, are you still expecting more mix shift away from the transactional business with that 14% to 16% outlook?

[Stephanie Plaines:]

Hi, Jason. So no, I think except for the LaSalle mix shift, I think, we're pretty comfortable with how the business should shape in 2020. Obviously, it's early in the year, so it's not something that we give precise guidance on, but we're still expecting the Leasing business to perform well. Capital Markets, we're coming off of, obviously, a record volume, but they're still expected to be strong. And as Christian noted, the combination of HFF in Americas' legacy business should propel us there. I would say that our Corporate Solutions business is still continuing to really improve on their transformation. Christian referenced that. So we've brought in, obviously, a new leadership that organizes us as a vertical, and we're very focused on product development in that area. So we will continue to see margin expansion come from the Corporate Solutions side of the house.

[Jason Weaver:]

And just one further, given the incentive fees that you realized at LaSalle, would I take that to imply you're expecting a weaker pace of realizations coming into 2020.

[Stephanie Plaines:]

Yes, Jason, it's always very hard to predict the incentive fees. I think it's very fair this year, just to remind everyone, we're down 36% versus the prior year, and this is our second record. So I think it's reasonable to assume that those will be coming down. It's early days, and I think we've committed last time to giving you all updates as soon as we get more precision into the year. But right now, I would assume that, that is not a level that we could repeat going into 2020.

[Jason Weaver:]

Okay, thank you. And just one more. Finally, with your leverage down back below one turn, can you expand a bit on your capital return priorities, whether that's dividend, more debt repayment or possible new acquisitions? And if so, in what areas?

[Stephanie Plaines:]

Yes, so we're definitely very pleased with the cash flow results. We were able to pay down $600 million of about $850 million of the HFF debt, so – within the first six months. So we'll continue to prioritize that debt repayment to extinguish that in the 2020 year. So that's a high priority for us, and then I think, investing it back into the business with organic opportunities. So we'll probably get down to a level that looks something like we did in 2018 once we normalize in 2020. We did launch a share repurchase program. So we will evaluate that every quarter. We did not do any repurchases this quarter, but we'll continue also to keep that on the radar screen. And then we'll announce our plans for dividend later on in the course of the year.

[Jason Weaver:]

Okay, thank you.

[Operator:]

Your next question comes from Michael Funk from Bank of America Securities. Your line is open.

[Michael Funk:]

Hi, good morning. How are you doing? A couple, if I could. First, I mean, I know you mentioned that the EMEA growth had been hampered by supply not being there. I wonder if you could comment specifically on the UK market, and kind of what degree Brexit, the Brexit uncertainty has maybe affected that market? And if you're seeing any change post vote or separation late last year? And I'll follow-on to one more there as well. Your guidance, I mean, I appreciate that. Just wondering what kind of market share gains are implied in your guidance for 2020? Thank you very much.

[Christian Ulbrich:]

Well, specifically to the UK, after the vote in December, there was an immediate uptick in the business. So December came in significantly stronger than otherwise without that vote. For the time being, we expect the UK to have a stronger year than it had in 2019. But what waits to be seen is how the conversations between the UK and Europe will actually – the EU actually will go over the course of the year. So we have to see how the third and the fourth quarter will play out. Overall, we expect, for JLL, specifically, a much better performance in 2020 in our EMEA business than in our EMEA business 2019, which is less down to the market, but more down to all the decisions and activities we have been taking in 2019 to prepare ourselves for 2020. And so this is slightly independent of the overall market performance.

[Michael Funk:]

Okay. And one more if I could, please. You also mentioned that leasing and in the U.S., expectations based, obviously, on a tight market. Any commentary about maybe that tightness loosening up in specific markets in 2020? Expectations for more supply, maybe helping the leasing activity?

[Christian Ulbrich:]

Well, in the UK, specifically, the London market is very tight on new quality space. It's pretty much leased out and developers have been very disciplined with coming with new developments to market. Now sure enough, with clarity on the political side, there will be more developments coming to market, but it takes a couple of years. So it's nothing which will be kind of solved overnight. And that situation with tight markets is pretty much true all across the mature economies in Europe. And so we expect rental levels to stay very high in Europe in comparison and a healthy market environment for landlords.

[Michael Funk:]

So just taking your comments from the call and then to the question that I had there. I mean, it sounds like a multiyear outlook kind of saying you're not giving that in guidance for the multiyear outlook, given relatively low cap rates, high occupancy, right, leading to tight markets, it feels as if maybe kind of flattish to marginally down is a good way to maybe think about the market in general, and then you can kind of grow low- to mid-single digits top line through market share gains. But is that kind of the market layout that we have right now?

[Christian Ulbrich:]

Yes, so it's a way of describing it. I mean, it's not only market share gains, we are coming with new products on our technology side, we mentioned earlier, sustainability, and then specifically down to JLL, we will drive cost down and become a more efficient platform, and that will help us to drive profit growth going forward.

[Michael Funk:]

Great. Thank you for the time.

[Christian Ulbrich:]

Thank you Michael. Welcome as well.

[Michael Funk:]

Thank you very much.

[Operator:]

Your next question comes from Jade Rahmani from KBW. Your line is open.

[Ryan Tomasello:]

Hi, this is Ryan Tomasello on for Jade. Thanks for taking the follow-up everyone. I'm not sure if Mihir or Yishai are on the call, but was wondering if you could provide an update on adoption of the technologies in JLL Spark's portfolio by JLL clients? And how those investments are performing overall? Would you say that those investments, in the JLL Spark portfolio, are performing in line with expectations?

[Christian Ulbrich:]

Yes, we are incredibly pleased with the performance of JLL Technologies, which we have put together on the 1 of October, where we brought all our technology within JLL together, whether it's platform technology, client-facing technology, or our investments into the proptech area. This is something where we see us as a real leader in our industry and a clear differentiator for our clients. And the revenue growth, which we are experiencing from those products, is very pleasing to us, and we have high ambitions going forward on that topic.

[Ryan Tomasello:]

And can you gives us update on – I'm sorry, go ahead, Stephanie.

[Stephanie Plaines:]

Yes, just to echo on Christian. So we have – a reminder, we've ring-fenced the $100 million to invest in real estate technologies, so through our Spark funds. And so we're progressing with those investments very, very well, and they're already starting to, obviously, be commercialized and beta tested within our own company and starting to do that with clients. So we're pleased with those developments and the leadership that Mihir and Yishai are bringing to that.

[Ryan Tomasello:]

And can you give us an update on how much of that $100 million has been invested so far? And what areas of this proptech ecosystem you think are areas where you think are most attractive uses of that capital going forward?

[Christian Ulbrich:]

We have invested roughly 40% so far of that money, and the deal flow, the deal pipeline is very strong. And it's such a broad range of areas. I think that would kind of go beyond this call here if we were to go into too much detail here, but we are looking at every type of product which is helping our clients to be more successful with their real estate portfolios or investments. That is kind of the key criteria is a technology which helps our clients to be more successful with their real estate ventures.

[Ryan Tomasello:]

Great, thanks for that color and taking the follow-up.

[Operator:]

There are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back over to management for closing remarks.

[Chris Stent:]

Thank you. With no further questions coming in, we will close today's call. Thank you for participating, and Stephanie and I look forward to speaking with you again following the first quarter.

[Operator:]

This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.