NetScout Systems, Inc.
Q3 2018 Earnings Call Transcript

Published: 30 Jan 2018

[Operator:]

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. And welcome to NETSCOUT's Third Quarter Fiscal Year 2018 Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this call is being recorded. Andrew Kramer, Vice President of Investor Relations, and his colleagues at NETSCOUT are on the line with us today. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to turn the call over to Andrew Kramer to begin the company's prepared remarks.

[Andrew Kramer:]

Thank you, Keith, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to NETSCOUT'S third quarter fiscal year 2018 conference call for the period ended December 31, 2017. Joining me today are Anil Singhal, NETSCOUT's Co-Founder, President and CEO; Michael Szabados, NETSCOUT's Chief Operating Officer; and Jean Bua, NETSCOUT's Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. There is a slide presentation that accompanies our prepared remarks. Both the slides and the prepared remarks can be accessed on the Investor Relations section of our website, at www.netscout.com. The slides can be advanced in the webcast viewer to follow our commentary. We will call out the slide number we are referencing in our remarks. Our agenda today is as follows. Anil Singhal, our President and CEO, will briefly review our performance and then address certain questions that have arisen since we announced our preliminary third quarter results and revised outlook for fiscal year 2018. Michael Szabados will review customer adoption trends and major go-to-market activities. Our CFO, Jean Bua, will then review our third quarter results and detail our updated fiscal year 2018 guidance. Moving on to Slide Number 3, I would like to remind everybody listening that forward-looking statements as part of this communication are made pursuant to the Safe Harbor Provisions of Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, as amended, and other federal securities laws. Investors are cautioned that statements on this conference call, which are not strictly historical statements, including but not limited to, the statements related to the fiscal year 2018 financial guidance for NETSCOUT, revenue and profit growth prospects for fiscal year 2019, share repurchase activity including the ASR, market conditions and customer demand, anticipated revenue from specific customers and specific products, along with all of the other various product developments, sales and marketing, expense management and other initiatives planned for the remainder of this year or into fiscal year 2019, constitute forward-looking statements which involve risks and uncertainties. Actual results could differ materially from the forward-looking statements due to known and unknown risks, uncertainties, assumptions and other factors. This slide details these factors, and I strongly encourage you to review each of them. For a more detailed description of the company's risk factors, please refer to the company's Annual Report on Form 10-K for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2017 and the subsequent quarterly reports on Form 10-Q, which are on file with the Securities and Exchange Commission. NETSCOUT assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking information contained in this communication or with respect to the announcements described herein. Let's turn to Slide Number 4, which involves non-GAAP metrics. While this slide presentation includes both GAAP and Non-GAAP results, unless otherwise stated financial information discussed on today's conference call will be on a non-GAAP basis only. This slide, which we also encourage you to read, provides information about the use of GAAP and non-GAAP measures, because non-GAAP measures are not intended to be superior to or a substitute for the equivalent GAAP metric. Non-GAAP items are described and reconciled to GAAP results in today's press release and those and other reconciliations and supplemental detail are included at the end of the slide presentation, which again is available on our website. As we disclosed earlier this month, our third quarter results were notably below our expectations entering the quarter. We expect further challenges to negatively impact our performance in the fourth quarter. And as a result, we've updated our full year revenue and EPS targets accordingly. I'll now turn the call over to Anil for his perspective on these and other matters. Anil?

[Anil Singhal:]

Thank you, Andy. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. Let's begin on Slide 6 with a brief recap of our non-GAAP results. Consistent with our January 10 announcement, we reported third quarter revenue of $272 million, which was down nearly 13% from last year's third quarter and below our plans entering the quarter by $30 million to $50 million. I'll cover the shortfall against expectations in a moment. We also took steps to recalibrate our cost structure through certain onetime adjustments to variable incentive compensation. Our third quarter diluted EPS of $0.69 per share also benefited from a lower tax rate. We believe that many of the issues that affected third quarter revenues are likely to impact our performance in the fourth quarter. Accordingly, as we announced on January 10, we have received - lowered our full year revenue - fiscal year 2018 revenue and EPS outlook. We have spent considerable time over the past several weeks trying to help shareholders understand the issues that are impacting our performance. Rather than follow our conventional format of highlighting key accomplishments in the quarter, I would like to focus my commentary on answering the most common inquiries we have received. The first question asks about the biggest factors impacting NETSCOUT's Q3 fiscal year 2018 and full year fiscal year 2018 revenue. To answer this, it is important to provide some perspective. As we've discussed previously, we entered fiscal year 2018, anticipating that one of the - our largest tier 1 customers would further moderate its spend with us by up to $100 million. This customer has adjusted overall spending after multiple years of elevated spending to build its 4G and LTE footprint. In recent quarters, the customer has attempted to absorb excess capacity, and otherwise redeploy equipment to mitigate growing OTT traffic volumes, and deliver high-quality services in a very price-sensitive highly competitive marketplace. We had previously planned to offset this decline with a strong second half of the year, aided in large part by solid growth in our enterprise customer segment. Our inability to achieve our target reflects three major factors

[Michael Szabados:]

Thank you, Anil, and good morning, everyone. Slide #9 outlines the areas that I will cover, which I believe help convey the progress we are making with our new product cycle as well as our efforts to advance our go-to-market initiatives. As we've discussed on prior calls during the past two-plus years, we have focused on considerable software - our considerable software resources and expertise on driving innovation across our product portfolio. We have extended the deployment options of our real-time information platform, the InfiniStreamNG, from a traditional appliance to software-only for commercial-off-the-shelf hardware and to an array of virtual alternatives. We've discussed on recent calls that the software-only version of the ISNG has been well received by major international carriers, and we expect a relatively sizeable deployment of our software-only platform in support of a major 4G and VoLTE rollout later this spring. As Anil described, we are seeing longer sales cycles as our enterprise customers consider a broader range of options for deploying their existing and new applications. When our enterprise customers elect to upgrade their traditional data centers, they can extend their deployments with our appliance and software alternatives. As they move their workloads to private or public clouds, our new vScout and vStream products seamlessly expand their application monitoring coverage into the resulting hybrid cloud. Our customers consider our ability to provide them with continuity of visibility through disruptive architecture changes and workload migrations to be invaluable. As a result, the number of evaluations and proof-of-concepts for these products has grown steadily, since their launch last summer and we are engaging with new buying centers within the IT organization, such as with DevOps and cloud architecture teams, in addition to working with our traditional user base in identifying new use cases. The enthusiasm and interest we generated at last quarter's AWS re

[Jean Bua:]

Thank you, Michael, and good morning, everyone. This morning, I will review our third quarter results, key revenue trends through the first nine months, and our revised fiscal year 2018 guidance. As a reminder, this review focuses on our non-GAAP results unless otherwise stated, and all reconciliations with our GAAP results appear in the presentation appendix. Slide #11 shows our results for the third quarter and first nine months of fiscal year 2018. Focusing on our third quarter results, total revenue decreased by $39.3 million, or 13%, to $272 million. Our overall gross margin changed by approximately 250 basis points to 80.2% primarily due to the one-time adjustment related to variable incentive compensation. Our total operating expenses decreased by $23.6 million from the prior year, largely due to the aforementioned changes in variable incentive compensation and lower sales commissions. The operating profit margin for the quarter was 30.9%. Recently enacted tax legislation reduced our third-quarter effective tax rate to 25%, which contributed to diluted earnings per share of $0.69. Turning to Slide 12, I'd like to review key revenue trends through the first nine months. Revenue in our service provider customer segment declined 16% through the first three quarters. The decline reflects two primary factors. First, as we have discussed on prior calls, one of our large tier 1 service provider customers has been moderating its purchasing over the past two years. Second, revenue for Arbor's DDoS solutions decreased by the mid-teens. These dynamics were partially offset by low-single-digit growth in all other service-assurance service provider accounts. As Anil noted earlier, we expect that service provider capital spending pressures will continue to result in softer order volumes for our service assurance and DDoS products in the fourth quarter. Our enterprise vertical declined by approximately 8.5% through the first three quarters. Enterprise revenue for legacy NETSCOUT offerings declined by mid-single-digits through the first nine months. This was compounded by weakness across all other product areas. Most notably, we've continued to see erosion across the former Fluke product lines. Following a very soft third quarter, Arbor's enterprise security revenue only grew low-single-digits through the first nine months. For the first nine months, the mix of revenue was 53% coming from service provider and 47% from enterprise. In terms of revenue by geography, which is calculated on a GAAP basis, our revenue in the United States declined sharply during the first three quarters largely due to the decrease in revenue from that large tier 1 carrier, while international revenue declined by 5%. International customers represented 40% of total revenue through the first nine months of this year versus 38% in last year's comparable period. We did not have a 10% revenue customer for either the third quarter or the first nine months. Slide 13 details our balance sheet highlights and free cash flow. We ended the quarter with cash, cash equivalents, short-term marketable securities and long-term marketable securities of $383 million, an increase of $69.6 million from the end of September. Our free cash flow for the third quarter of fiscal year 2018 was $72 million and it was $135.9 million for the first three quarters of the year. Our third quarter free cash flow reflects favorable changes in working capital due to the collection of receivables and the lower sales volume. We currently anticipate that free cash flow for the full year will be more than 100% of non-GAAP net income. As detailed earlier this month and again in today's press release, we are planning to execute an Accelerated Share Repurchase of $300 million later this week. As illustration, using yesterday's closing stock price of $26.10 per share, the ASR would enable us to repurchase approximately $11.5 million. While we anticipate that it will take the banks working on our behalf between two to three quarters to execute the buyback, the accounting treatment allows us to reduce our share-count by approximately 8 million shares or approximately 70% of the ASR immediately upon entering into the agreement. Once the repurchase is technically completed, the share-count would be further reduced by the number of shares actually repurchased excluding the number of shares reflected in the initial reduction. Although there will be minimal benefit to our diluted earnings per share in fiscal year 2018, it will enable us to significantly reduce the number of our shares outstanding next year. For the third quarter, we did not repurchase any shares. We plan to fund the ASR primarily through additional debt of $300 million. We anticipate that our net leverage for the fiscal year ending 2018 will be about one times EBITDA. To support this activity, we entered into an amended and expanded credit agreement earlier this month that upsized our existing credit facility. The agreement provides for a five-year $1 billion senior secured revolving credit facility, which is 25% larger than the original agreement. And it has better pricing and more favorable terms and conditions compared with the original agreement. To briefly recap other balance sheet highlights

[Andrew Kramer:]

Thanks, Jean. As we've outlined, we are moving forward focused on the opportunities that we believe can lead to improved performance in fiscal year 2019 through both top-line growth and actions to adjust our cost structure. We will plan to share more details about the coming fiscal year in early May, when we report our fourth quarter and full year fiscal 2018 results. Keith, let's begin the Q&A session at this point.

[Operator:]

[Operator Instructions] Thank you. We'll take our first question from Chad Bennett with Craig-Hallum. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

[Chad Bennett:]

Great. Thanks for taking my questions. So, Anil, I guess, it sounds like on the service provider side, you guys definitely have a - I mean, you've always had a very good software-only solution. I think the market is probably moved at least on the service provider side, maybe quicker than maybe you guys anticipated or maybe even us. I guess, if we look out over the next couple of years, and I know it's not easy from a visibility standpoint, when you look at the tier 1s in North America, I mean, do you have an idea of kind of mix of how much of network monitoring goes to software-only solutions versus a traditional appliances over the next couple of years? Do you - can you take a stab at that?

[Anil Singhal:]

Yeah, I think virtually, I mean, the speed of which this will vary from provider to provider. But we think virtually all - all the sales into all service providers, including U.S. service providers within the ten year - within the next two years will move to software.

[Chad Bennett:]

Okay. And I know that the logic or theory previously was - and when we're - when the carrier is deploying software-only probes, they can put it in more of the network than they could appliances previously. And that net-net, from a spend standpoint, there shouldn't be that much of a change to you guys or to the software provider. I guess…

[Anil Singhal:]

That's true, Chad. But I just want to mention that that was not true in the last two years, because the spend has moderated to a level where that's going to be true now.

[Chad Bennett:]

That's going to, okay, got it. And then, maybe last one for me and then I'll hop off. How aggressively are you seeing the enterprise customers that you deal with move to software-only solution? I don't think you cited it as kind of an issue on the enterprise side. But are you seeing any traction there? Then I'll jump off. Thanks.

[Anil Singhal:]

So, no, right now, the people have not shown lot of interest on the enterprise side to move to software. But just to summarize for everyone that we have three kinds of solution. One is appliance, which you mentioned, which was most of our business or all of our business in the past, then software version of clients, which is what service providers are using. And that one, enterprises have not shown lot of interest. But the third area, which was always software, but nobody was buying, which is the NFV and virtualization, and server function virtualization. So there, we are seeing some traction on both sides. And so, we see most of the software on enterprise moving to virtual rather than to COTS.

[Chad Bennett:]

Got it. Thank you.

[Operator:]

We'll take our next question from James Fish with Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead.

[James Fish:]

Hey, guys. Thanks for the questions. I guess, we'll start on, on sort of gross margin, say, they were impressive at 80% and I know, Jean, you alluded that this was a lot of onetime in nature. Is there anything that makes you confident over the next 12 to 24 months that we could actually continue to hit that 80% range, whether it's mix of Arbor networks or just better execution and less of the Fluke networks, just curious as to the sustainability at this 80% level?

[Anil Singhal:]

So the Arbor network is already in that range. And NETSCOUT originally three years ago was also in that range. But then, our mix changed with Fluke network and Tektronix, but most of them either have bottom out or moving to software. So, yeah, there is a good chance of getting to that level in the next couple of years.

[James Fish:]

Okay. And then probably - I know, Anil, you talked about this a little bit on the call here. But one of the biggest questions that I've gotten is sort of what makes this - these changes by the large tier 1 carriers not sort of the canary in the coal mine for the rest of the service providers. I mean, what gives you confidence that this is essentially the bottom for service provider being kind of down double-digits?

[Anil Singhal:]

So I think first thing is we did hit the bottom in other area - other than tier 1 provider, we are on an upswing and generally in international. As I talked about, our business and margins have increased in many of the areas when you talk about, I mean, seven or eight top tier 1 providers in - outside of U.S. In U.S., we were - it was slow adoption and there were a lot of other dynamic which prevented us from doing that. And don't forget that they have a very big install base and there is a renewal stream of revenue also. And so, that install capacity requires upgrades, software upgrades and they have to buy renewal. So because of all those reasons, we think that we have reached a level this year in tier 1 provider that we should go up despite their move to software over the next two years.

[James Fish:]

All right, thanks.

[Jean Bua:]

And just to add to that, Jim, since I knew - I know you're newer in the story. The top-two North American service providers had spent disproportionately larger on their 4G networks than even the other two top-two U.S. providers. So that spend has moderated by $200 million each over the last few years. So their range is more in line with the next two tier 1 U.S. service providers, but it's still probably a little elevated from that. So it's really a story over the last few years of the moderation and spend on 4G.

[James Fish:]

Yeah, no, no, understood that. And not to beat a dead horse here. But it seems as though if that's sort of moderating that we should be talking about decent growth for next year. But at the same time, it sounds as if some of the weakness this quarter was the other service providers not spending as much. I mean, that's more or less the sense that we're getting here.

[Anil Singhal:]

Yeah, the other service providers was some - some of it was the timing issue. But the big effect was what Jean was talking about and we feel that we have gotten them to a level, where I think, we have largely hit the bottom there in the short term, because they will buy more software, it will not grow but in a couple of years we should start seeing moderate growth in those areas.

[James Fish:]

Got it. Thanks guys.

[Operator:]

We'll take the next question from Mark Kelleher with D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead.

[Mark Kelleher:]

Great. Thanks for taking the questions. Maybe just a follow-up on the 4G. What are your expectations for 5G? Do you expect another surge and are we still 1.5 or 2 years away from that? What's the expectation there?

[Anil Singhal:]

So when we went - went from 3G to 4G, there was a complete upgrade of the network. Whereas 5G is more, I would say, to lack of better word, maybe last mile. So it does increase the traffic on the core, but it's not a whole scale upgrade of the infrastructure. So there won't be - the surge will not be anywhere close to what we saw when 3G to 4G it will be a very small fraction of that. But yet, there will be some traffic requirement, but it will not - I mean traffic increase, which will cause more capacity requirement or more capacity from our solution hence more units of monitoring. But it will be largely as a result of traffic growth rather than the network upgrade.

[Mark Kelleher:]

Okay. And just as a follow-up. Could you just give a little more detail on your commentary on divestitures? I know, you mentioned something about divesting some product line. Can you talk about that?

[Anil Singhal:]

Yeah. So we have, I mean, F-net [ph] tools business, which is basically handheld tools, which was - which we have been trying various things for the last couple of years. And we came to - coming to the conclusion that it's not very synergistic with the way we sell other product lines. And that's the area - it's less than 5% of our business right now.

[Mark Kelleher:]

Okay, great. Thanks.

[Operator:]

Our next question is from Matt Hedberg with RBC Capital Markets.

[Matt Hedberg:]

Hey, guys, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. In terms of lengthening enterprise sales cycles, it sounded like part of this is due to customers thinking through their cloud and digital footprint. I think last quarter, Anil, you talked about putting some additional sales incentives in place. I guess, I'm curious, going into Q4, what else can you guys do specifically to help shorten those sales cycles?

[Anil Singhal:]

I think so - I don't know whether incentive is directly and we're doing incentive for other reasons. But I mean, cloud migration activities will follow at their own pace. And it's not really necessarily cloud migration, because customers have multiple choices in upgrading their infrastructure. Whenever we have more choices, it slows down at the infrastructure upgrade process, which slows down our sales cycle. So I don't think incentive can do that, but we have some new things coming up in our story about how we can accelerate their migration activities through visibility provided by our product, and I think that could actually shorten the sales cycle. And so we have been testing that story and positioning and some features with our large customer, and I think - we think that, that will be a big hit, when we have the user group meeting in May.

[Matt Hedberg:]

That's great. And then Jean, I guess, under the new tax code, can you help us with any potential benefit that you will see to your GAAP or non-GAAP tax rates in fiscal 2019?

[Jean Bua:]

In fiscal 2019, so the effective tax rate for this year had one quarter of the lower corporate income tax at 21%. So that's why you have blended 28%. Right now, what we would probably see is that 28% would go down by few more points next year. But that is very provisional, given the fact that there's still pieces within the legislation that is still being worked out. So on fiscal 2019, we've mostly benefited from the tax rate going forward. And then on fiscal 2019, as we finish our planning processes, I can firm up whether 25%, 26%, 24% is the better rate for us to use for our fiscal year 2019.

[Matt Hedberg:]

Great. Directionally, that's helpful though. Thanks a lot, guys.

[Anil Singhal:]

Yeah.

[Jean Bua:]

You're welcome.

[Alex Kurtz:]

Thanks guys for taking a couple of questions here. Jean, just to continue on the model, Anil talked about optimism for growth in fiscal 2019. How does that relate to free cash flow margin and EBIT margin?

[Jean Bua:]

Well, I would assume - given that our cost structure has always been fairly stable, I would assume that increases in revenue would increase our EBITDA margin. Cash flow should also continue to be probably above 100%. Right now, we - in fiscal 2019, we're going to be moving from one of our buildings in Texas into another building, a smaller footprint. And that will have some CapEx that is reimbursed and we're looking at the accounting treatment for that.

[Alex Kurtz:]

But you expect to grow - if you grow revenue, is there an operating assumption that you'll be flat EBIT margins now for fiscal 2019? Is that sort of how you are thinking about it? And if there's growth that's how you'll expand op margins?

[Jean Bua:]

Well, I think, as Anil said, we were looking at some of the options in our cost structure, so we could see an impact in operating costs. And then as the product continues to morph towards legacy NETSCOUT and legacy Arbor, gross margins - we'll have a higher overall gross margin. And then usually, any flow through in revenue growth would flow to the bottom line that way.

[Alex Kurtz:]

Okay. Just a couple of last follow-up questions. The 8 million share reduction, we should pencil that in by the September quarter that you will have 8 million fewer shares in the float? Or what are your thoughts?

[Jean Bua:]

No, it - what will happen is on - I think on Friday, we will start executing and we will settle the accelerated share repurchase with the banks, so probably about 70% of the expected shares that we'll take out. So I think in the script I had used 11.5 million shares based on the closing price of the stock yesterday. So 70% of 11.5 million is like 8 million shares. That should come out of the earnings per share calculation on what is - in the beginning of February. So we'll have the full-year effect in fiscal 2019. And then the remainder will be picked up, it probably two to three quarters after that.

[Alex Kurtz:]

Okay. And just last question, you made some mentioned about the Arbor growth rate being down mid-teens. Was that just service provider? And if it wasn't, what was the Arbor growth rate expectations in total for fiscal 2018?

[Anil Singhal:]

I think, we were - we had, I mean, uptick because of some software pricing models and the DDoS attack going up - being very high last year and so very unusual year. So we didn't have a high expectation of growth this year, but it was down. So that was somewhat of a disappointment and largely it was down as we mentioned that the tier 1 capacity requirements and CapEx spending issues was bleeding into the Arbor DDoS business also.

[Jean Bua:]

Yeah. Just so to summarize the year-to-date for Arbor and the enterprise, they've grown in the low-single-digits. As Anil said, it is a decline in service provider and Arbor attributes it to digestion of capacity that some of the large tier 1 U.S. providers bought last year after the Dyn attack.

[Alex Kurtz:]

Okay. Thank you, guys.

[Anil Singhal:]

Yeah, thank you.

[Operator:]

[Operator Instructions] We'll go next to Eric Martinuzzi with Lake Street Capital Markets.

[Eric Martinuzzi:]

Hey, my question is for Anil, I wanted to jump in the time machine and go back to October 2014 on the announcement of the NETSCOUT acquiring the Danaher Communications business. So just strategically, obviously, that transaction was based on some assumptions. I want to use this as kind of a lead into a question on go-to-market strategy? But what has been the biggest market shift, if you go back to the logic that made so much sense in October 2014 versus where we are now, January 2018. What's been the big shift?

[Anil Singhal:]

So let me, Eric, see how I can maybe - I mean, it's a big question. But overall, what had - there has been lot of ups and downs. There have been move to software model. There has been a lot of new product introduction. There has been things about overlap with the Fluke network and the tools business. And so, things have been up and down. And I think that's - some of it was a surprise, but overall, on balance it was - I think one thing were balancing something else overall. I think the bigger surprise at that time was the top tier 2 providers going from - going from hundreds of millions of dollar in revenue to coming down to much lower level as Jean mentioned at different times they had spent over $150 million each or even $200 million. So that dramatically coming down as a result of their own CapEx spending pressure, OTT traffic driving even more growth which puts even more pressure on them. I think if that factor was not there, there'll still be lots of puts and takes. But outside, overall number would be on the growth side, maybe single digit growth. So I think that's the highest level summary that, that was a big surprise and unanticipated at that time that all these things will happen over the course of three-year period. Other places, where these changes are happening, we have been able to mitigate them either through the software model or go-to-market that we changes or substitution of the product. So in fact, we are more competitive right now than we were at that time. Clearly, we were competing with each other before that. And so, I think that's - I don't know whether that covers your broad question.

[Eric Martinuzzi:]

Right, well, that's where it leaves to my part two of the question, which is - that business, that $1.2 billion assumption back in October 2014, which closed in July of 2015. It was kind of a $1.2 billion run-rate and you had a picture or an idea of what the market was. Now, as we - as we're over three years removed from the announcement of the deal, and $2.5 years from the closing of the deal, what's the right go-to-market strategy here? Do you have the right go-to-market strategy? Do we need to do something material in how we're - obviously, there is a reduced appetite on the part of those two large players?

[Anil Singhal:]

Well, I think we have a good - better product line, better vision, technology, new go-to-market strategy. But it has been largely ineffective in the face of these other challenges. Now, those challenges have been mitigated in terms of resizing the business. I think we'll start seeing the positive effect of those strategies. I think those things internally are seen in the international service provider, where we have got an - I mean, you heard about some of the Vodafone deal announcement, you heard about a $75 million deal we announced based on software alone, which was bigger than anything which have happened with that customer five years before - five years in the past. And so there are several good things going on in the company on multiple fronts, but they were masked by this effect, which we talked about the tier 2 1 provider. Now, because of - we have resized the business, which also requires us to resize the expectation and some of the cost structure as we talked about, which we'll share with you people in May. I think we'll be able to show a lot of that progress moving forward over the next couple of years.

[Eric Martinuzzi:]

Okay, I look forward to that update.

[Anil Singhal:]

Yeah.

[Operator:]

And we'll take our final question from Kevin Liu with B. Riley. Please go ahead.

[Kevin Liu:]

Hi, good morning. Just with respect to your software-only strategy, can you just talk in a little bit more detail? You mentioned that you wanted to go international first. Do you see a lot of opportunity even with your top-two North American service provider customers today? And when would you expect to start to close in software-only deals with those folks?

[Anil Singhal:]

I think they'll be - that I think any business we do with them or a large portion of the business we do with this, even these tier 2 providers - tier 1 providers, the top-two and rest of them also. But where we have not used software for one reason or another, we'll be mostly software next year. So in fiscal year 2019, we think bulk of the sales today, we have introduced that, they are certifying that. One of the beauty of our software solution is feature compatibility with appliance solution. So you can use it in Tektronix mode. You can use in NETSCOUT mode. You can use it in old mode or combined mode. And that allows the people to basically say, yes, I can move to software which affects the top-line, but we think that we have bottom out. And given that, we will see a better margin expansion as a result of any sales to this. So it will take couple of years to get back to some growth a year, but I think we have gone to a new start here with them, even with the tier 1 provider in U.S. And we see we have validation of this trend from international service provider, which were sort of one year ahead in terms of a deployment time horizon.

[Kevin Liu:]

Got it. And just with respect to the other service provider deals where you kind of said timing issues, can you talk little bit about what sort of issues is there or is it decisions over how to deploy or some other factor that would delay those deals?

[Anil Singhal:]

Yeah, what I meant was that, in service provider the business is lumpy. So - and so for couple of service providers, one big international one in U.S., there are some things we could get - could have gotten in Q4 of this year. Now, we may get in Q1. And that's what I was referring. So they're just couple of non - it is not one of those top two or three providers we were talking about.

[Kevin Liu:]

All right, thanks for taking the questions.

[Anil Singhal:]

Thank you.

[Operator:]

And it appears we have no further questions. I return the floor to Andrew Kramer for closing remarks.

[Andrew Kramer:]

Great. I'd like to thank everybody for joining us this morning. Look forward to seeing folks when we're at those - at the investor conference on the West Coast as well as other money centers in the U.S. And certainly, if you have any questions, feel free to reach out to Investor Relations here at NETSCOUT. We look forward to communicating with you on our next quarterly call in early May. Thank you very much.

[Operator:]

And this will conclude today's program. Thanks for your participation. You may now disconnect. Have a great day.