PaySign, Inc.
Q4 2020 Earnings Call Transcript

Published: 25 Mar 2021

[Operator:]

Hello, and welcome to the Paysign’s Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2020 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. This presentation may include forward-looking statements to the extent that the information presented in this presentation discusses financial projections, information or expectations about the company's business plans, results of operations, the impact of COVID-19, returns on equity, expected gross margins, markets or otherwise make statements about future events. Such statements are forward-looking. Such forward-looking statements can be identified by the use of words such as should, may, intends, anticipates, believes, estimates, projects, forecasts, expects, plans and proposals.

[Mark Newcomer:]

Thank you, Kevin. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining Paysign's fourth quarter and full year 2020 earnings call. I am Mark Newcomer, Co-Founder and Chief Executive Officer. Also on the call with me today is Jeff Baker, our new Chief Financial Officer. Our fourth-quarter revenue was $7.3 million, down $2.5 million from the same period last year. For the full year 2020, our revenue was $24.1 million down $10.5 million from 2019. These decreases were primarily due to the change in accounting estimate on the recognition of settlement income for the pharmaceutical business we made in the third quarter of this year and the impact of COVID-19 on our plasma business. We continue to closely monitor U.S. economic indicators as COVID-19 vaccination distribution continues and restrictions ease across the U.S. While the recession caused by the pandemic may have some lasting effects on consumer spending, we saw consumer spending on our programs begin to return to pre-pandemic levels. For the past two quarters, we have seen quarter-over-quarter increases in consumer spending, indicating a gradual return to pre-pandemic normalcy. In Q4 2020, we saw 14.4% increase over Q3 2020. In the fourth quarter, consumer spending on Paysign programs was down 12% versus Q4 2019, showing the continued impact of the pandemic on our business. However, for the full year, we were only – we were down only 1.6% due primarily to the growth in our pharmaceutical business.

[Jeff Baker:]

Thank you, Mark. Good afternoon, everyone. The revenue and operating performance in the fourth quarter continued to improve over the prior two quarters, primarily driven by our plasma business. Of the total revenues of $7.3 million mentioned by Mark, plasma revenue accounted for $6.3 million, pharma revenue was $921,000, and other revenue was $33,000. Importantly, our gross margins continued to hold north of 50% landing at 51.2% for the fourth quarter. Our adjusted EBITDA for the fourth quarter came in at $768,000 or $0.01 per share on a fully diluted basis. This is the highest dollar amount experienced since COVID started last year. These results compared unfavorably to the pre-COVID fourth quarter 2019 results of total revenue of $9.8 million, gross margins of 51.8%, and adjusted EBITDA of $2.6 million or $0.05 per fully diluted shares. As previously mentioned by Mark, fourth quarter gross dollar load volume declined 2.2% versus the year ago period, but increased sequentially by 15.9%. Fourth quarter purchase volume declined 12% versus the year ago period, but also increased sequentially by 14.4%. Taking a closer look at the pharma business in the quarter, revenues of $6.3 million were up from $5.2 million reported in the third quarter and $4.6 million reported in the second quarter. As Mark pointed out, we exited 2020 with 340 centers, adding 36 in the fourth quarter. Here are a few important items worth pointing out. First, while we are still below pre-COVID-19 quarterly plasma revenue levels, we are seeing gradual improvements. Second, our average revenue per center also continues to improve despite adding 36 new centers in the fourth quarter. I'd say despite because it takes time for new centers to ramp up after onboarding, so the higher denominator used in the calculation without full revenue benefit causes our average revenue per center calculation to be lower.

[Operator:]

Thank you. We’ll now be conducting a question-and-answer session. Our first question today is coming from Peter Heckmann from Davidson. Your line is now live.

[Peter Heckmann:]

Good afternoon, gentlemen. Thanks for taking the questions.

[Mark Newcomer:]

Hey, Peter.

[Peter Heckmann:]

Can you talk a little bit about your current sales pipeline within plasma, if there's any other centers that are scheduled to convert or ones that you're working on? And then just a little bit about – there's a fairly significant ownership change to one of your competitors. Just talk about if you've seen any change in the competitive dynamics there?

[Mark Newcomer:]

Yes. I'll go ahead and address that, Pete. I would say that for our pipeline, we're pretty much looking at on par with last year or beating last year for 2021. I won't go into too much more detail than that at this point. Regarding the competitive landscape, yes, there have been some changes. There have been additional people that are out looking and talking. So all things considered, yes, I think there will be some ramifications.

[Peter Heckmann:]

Okay. And then just in terms of how we're thinking now about the pharma revenue. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I guess the $900,000 in this quarter, did that include any campaigns that were ending that would have had a kind of a onetime true-up or how should we think about those onetime true-ups as we go over the next few quarters?

[Jeff Baker:]

Yes, Pete. So, with the change in the accounting, it does make some lumpiness come in. It's – we did have a small program in that benefited a little bit. It wasn't huge. I mean, right now, you see pharma still, from an overall contribution of the business, is quite low. There will be, as we go forward in 2021, we'll have another program and –like I said, it will be a little lumpy, but it's not going to be massively material like millions of dollars or anything like that.

[Peter Heckmann:]

Got it, got it. I’ll get back in the queue for now. Thanks.

[Operator:]

Thanks. Our next question is coming from Austin Moldow from Canaccord Genuity. Your line is now live.

[Austin Moldow:]

Hi, thanks for taking my questions. On the five new pharma programs in 2020, can you refresh us a bit in terms of what kind of services, what kind of programs they were for? And also just quickly, just want to clarify how many programs began and ended in Q4?

[Mark Newcomer:]

Yes. In regards to the mix of products in the patient – it's really patient affordability space. So, we have co-pay, we have combined bill, different products of those nature. I mean to get you – I'd have to get – probably go back to some notes to get out some of the information that you're looking for, and we can certainly bring you up to speed on that.

[Austin Moldow:]

Okay.

[Jeff Baker:]

Well, I'm just going to say on the number of programs, we exited 340, Austin. I did not bring in that number where the quarter started. But we'll get back to you.

[Austin Moldow:]

In pharma, would you be able to give that program number for the quarter, programs that ended and that were launched in the quarter?

[Jeff Baker:]

We only had one end. And then as far as new ones launched, do you know?

[Mark Newcomer:]

I know that two – they landed two big ones, one to the hopper for 2021. And I believe there was an additional – and again, I'm not real comfortable with saying a number, I'm not 100% sure about it. So let me defer and we'll get back to you on that.

[Austin Moldow:]

Okay. Again, on pharma, can you speak to the growth in just the pharma segment for loaded funds in the quarter?

[Mark Newcomer:]

Say it again, Austin, I'm sorry?

[Austin Moldow:]

As it pertains to just the pharma segment, would you be able to speak to the growth you saw in the quarter for pharma-loaded funds?

[Mark Newcomer:]

Yes. I mean, for the quarter, the gross dollar loads for pharma fell. Let me look at my chart here. I'll do some calculation, but about – was around $24 million was the total number of loads during the quarter.

[Austin Moldow:]

Okay, got it. And last question here on the other business line. Can you just kind of give a little color on what's contributing or which of those other business line programs are contributing to revenue? And what the expectation is for 2021 other revenue contribution?

[Jeff Baker:]

We’re not going to give any guidance on 2021 as it relates to revenue specifics. What I can tell you is other programs were $33,000 this quarter, and that was down from – roughly $300,000 in the fourth quarter of 2019. So, I think it’s been bouncing around the $33,000-ish range. It’s certainly a focus on us and the new sales group, but it’s going to take time to ramp that up in those expectations. So at this point in time, it’s kind of irrelevant to give you any kind of guidance around that until we see better pipeline metrics and things of that nature.

[Mark Newcomer:]

One thing I can tell you, Austin, is I can kind of address some of the product types. For instance, I think we’ll see some growth around our digital banking account, as with some of the new features and functionalities we’re adding to that, and I also think we’ll see additional growth in the rewards sector.

[Austin Moldow:]

Okay, great. Thanks very much.

[Operator:]

Thank you. Our next question today is coming from Mark Palmer from BTIG. Your line is now alive.

[Mark Palmer:]

Yes. Thank you and thanks for taking my question. A large company in the plasma space reported recently and believes that attitudinal changes among those who have donated plasma historically could continue to be a headwind as a result of the pandemic. What gives you confidence that we’re going to see a rebound in plasma donation volumes, the willingness of those who would benefit from the additional cash to come forward and donate plasma and therefore use your cards?

[Mark Newcomer:]

Yes. I think as we see some easing in the restrictions, I think you’re going to see people return to normalcy and start arriving back at the donation centers. You got to understand, a lot of these people, they’re not doing this for altruistic reasons. They’re not doing this to be a good citizen and donate. A lot of these people are doing this to supplement their income, and I believe that will continue to happen in the future as well.

[Jeff Baker:]

And Mark, let me add this. I mean one thing that we are seeing even today is that the average dollar loaded per card continues to go up. And that’s a factor of supply and demand. We know that there are more therapies that are using plasma. So plasma is not going away. The demand is there. And as that average revenue per load goes up, that’s going to be a benefit to us as we make money on fees and interchange and things of that nature. So I think, just like anything else, on an absolute number of plasma donations, if those weaken then the plasma centers will be forced to raise the price so that they can drive more people into their centers. But we got to get beyond, clearly, what we’re seeing coming out of Washington, whether it’s stimulus checks or ongoing unemployment benefits, to incentivize people to stop sitting at home and get out and actually work and pay their bills like they did prior to COVID. And it’s not just our business that we’re seeing this. I fly a lot as I’m commuting back and forth to Las Vegas. And I can’t even get a car to pick me up because there are no drivers, because they’re not incentivized to go out and drive. So – but this will all normalize, as we all know, and hopefully, we’ll benefit from it at that time.

[Mark Palmer:]

Thank you.

[Operator:]

Thank you. Our next question is coming from Jon Hickman from Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is now live.

[Jon Hickman:]

Sorry. Can you hear me okay?

[Mark Newcomer:]

Hey, Jon. Yes. We can hear you.

[Jon Hickman:]

Sure. I have a couple of questions. First of all, in the operating expense line this quarter, were there any – was there onetime expenses for the accounting to get you guys fully compliant, get rid of that, what do you call it, material weaknesses that you’re finished with now?

[Jeff Baker:]

There were not any onetime – the material weaknesses we worked on all throughout 2020 and exited the year in compliance. But from an SG&A perspective, there weren’t any onetime items in this quarter. You would have seen part of that starting back earlier in the year when we brought in the outside firm, and they did their work. So – but no onetime expenses this quarter.

[Jon Hickman:]

Okay. And then I know you can’t report it because you’ve changed your accounting on your pharma programs. But are you seeing any change in like consumer behavior there and how the cards are being used or how much people are leaving on the cards, et cetera? Has the historical norms changed on you?

[Jeff Baker:]

No, not at all. It’s the same. We’re seeing the same patterns that cause us to change the estimate in the third quarter, even today.

[Jon Hickman:]

Okay. And then – so just to clarify one comment I think you made in the question-and-answer period. So you said that your pipeline for new plasma centers is roughly equal to what we signed last year, like 30 to 40 centers you expect to add this year? Is that what you were trying to communicate?

[Mark Newcomer:]

Yes. I believe will be that.

[Jon Hickman:]

Okay. That’s it from me. Thanks.

[Operator:]

Thank you. Our next question is a follow-up from Peter Heckmann from Davidson. Your line is now live.

[Peter Heckmann:]

Just following up, given we’ve only got about a week left in the first quarter, can you give us some qualitative comments there, maybe your relative level of comfort with the first quarter consensus numbers?

[Mark Newcomer:]

I think – again, we’re not giving guidance out. I gave in my prepared comments, just some of the things that you guys need to be aware of, which is, seasonally, fourth quarter – or excuse first quarter is usually lower due to tax season, people getting their rebates. And then, of course, then you had the big stimulus hit mid-March Stimulus checks went out, et cetera. So Pete, if I could give you guidance, and I had a crystal ball, I would do it, but it’s hard to see how those factors are going to influence the first quarter. And remember, first quarter last year was a very strong quarter. So the COVID didn’t really go into full effect. Our low watermark was in May. So you just be cognizant of that as you’re looking at your models.

[Peter Heckmann:]

Got it. Okay. Thank you.

[Operator:]

Thank you. We reached the end of our question-and-answer session. I’d like to turn the floor back over to management for any further or closing comments.

[Mark Newcomer:]

Thanks, Kevin. Again, I want to end with an emphasis on the amazing teams we have assembled along with the robust pipeline we are building in support of 2021 and beyond. Thank you for your continued interest, your questions and your participation in this earnings call. Stay safe, and have a nice evening.

[Operator:]

Thank you. That does conclude today’s teleconference and webcast. You may disconnect your line at this time and have a wonderful day. We thank you for your participation today.