Provident Financial Holdings, Inc.
Q2 2016 Earnings Call Transcript

Published: 27 Jul 2016

[Operator:]

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Fourth Quarter Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions will be given at that time. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Craig Blunden. Please go ahead.

[Craig Blunden:]

Thank you. Good morning, everyone. This is Craig Blunden, Chairman and CEO of Provident Financial Holdings. And on the call with me is Donavon Ternes, our President, Chief Operating and Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I have a brief administrative item to address. Our presentation today discusses the Company’s business outlook and will include forward-looking statements. Those statements include descriptions of Management’s plans, objective or goals for future operations, products or services, forecast of financial or other performance measures and statements about the Company’s general outlook for economic and business conditions. We also may make forward-looking statements during the question-and-answer period following Management’s presentation. These forward-looking statements are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties and actual results may differ materially from those discussed today. Information on the risk factors that could cause actual results to differ from any forward-looking statement is available from the earnings release that was distributed yesterday, from the Annual Report on Form 10-K for the year ended June 30, 2015, and from the Form 10-Q filed subsequent to the Form 10-K. Forward-looking statements are effective only as of the date they are made and the Company assumes no obligation to update this information. To begin with, thank you for participating in our call. I hope that each of you has had an opportunity to review our earnings release which describes our fourth quarter results. You will note that our mortgage banking business has improved substantially during the course of the last six months and current conditions are favorable. New applications were strong in the June 2016 quarter as a result of lower mortgage rates and respectable buying season despite the tight supply of homes for sale. The increase in applications had a pronounced favorable impact on our locked pipelines suggesting a similar volume of loans originate for sale or the foreseeable future when compared to the volume of the June 2016 quarter. The loan sale margin for the quarter ended June 30, 2016 increased from the prior sequential quarter and has moved to the upper end of the range of the past six quarters. Overall, loan sale execution was favorable for the quarter as we labeled the price at better levels given the decline in mortgage rates during the June 2015 quarter. Mortgage banking FTE count in the June 2016 quarter decreased from the March 2016 quarter and we currently employ 303 FTE in mortgage banking, down from the 306 FTE employed on March 31, 2016. During the quarter, we decreased our origination staff by eight professionals, but increased our fulfillment staff by five professionals. We will continue to adjust our business model and FTE count as we have in the past, commensurate with changes in loan origination volumes and the mortgage banking operated environment. In the community banking business, loans originated and purchased for investment increased to $70 million from $35 million in the prior sequential quarter resulting in meaningful increase in loans held for investment. During the quarter, we also experienced $47.1 million of loan principle payments and payoffs which is down from the $56.3 million in the March 2016 quarter, but still tempering the growth rate of loans held for investment. For the 12 months ended June 30 2016, loans held for investment increased by 3% but preferred loans, a component of loans held for investment grew at 15% rate. We are pleased with the growth rate of the preferred loans balance since changing the composition of loans held for investment has been a long term goal. Preferred loans are now 61% of loans held for investment and the percentage of lower yielding legacy single family loans has declined significantly from historical highs. Credit quality improved on a sequential quarter basis, and you will note that the early stage delinquencies grew slightly to $1.6 million at June 30, 2016 from $1.5 million at March 31, 2016 suggesting that meaningful near term deterioration is unlikely. In fact, total classified assets have fallen to their lowest level in many quarters and are now $21.9 million, which is a very manageable level. In addition to the more routine delinquent loan activity during the June 2016 quarter, we were paid in full on a large non-performing multi-family loan that resulted in the recognition of approximately $367,000 of loan interest income and approximately $864,000, a charge off recovery to the allowance for loan losses. Our credit quality activity in the quarter including the multi-family loan previously described, resulted in a negative provision of $621,000 for the quarter ended June 30, 2016. Net recoveries were $1.1 million for the June 2016 quarter, compared to net recoveries of $126,000 during the March 2016 quarter and net recoveries of $96,000 during the December 2015 quarter. We’re pleased with these credit quality results. Our net interest margin increased this quarter in comparison to the March 2016 sequential quarter, also resulted the decline in our average cash balance and the increase in our average balance of loans outstanding which includes held for investment and held for sale loans. Additionally we described $544,000 of loan interest income, we received from the payoffs of non-performing loans in our earnings [indiscernible] which had an outsized positive impact to our net interest margin for the 2016 quarter. Our short term strategy for balance sheet management is unchanged from last quarter. We believe that re-leveraging the balance sheet with prudent loan portfolio growth is the best course of action. For the foreseeable future, we believe that maintaining a significant cushion above regulatory capital ratios of 8% for Tier 1 leverage, 9.5% for common equity Tier 1 and 13 total risk base is essential and we’re confident we will be able to do so. We currently exceed each of those ratios by a wide margin demonstrating that we have the capital to execute on our business plan and capital management goals. Additionally, in the June 2016 quarter, we repurchased approximately 230,000 shares of our common stock. We continue to believe that executing on stock repurchases is a wise use of capital in the current environment. Additionally, yesterday we announced a quarterly cash dividend of $0.13 per share, with a distribution scheduled for September 5, 2016 representing an 8% increase for the most recent cash dividend paid. We encourage everyone to review our June 30th investor presentation posted on our website. You will find we included slides regarding financial metrics, community banking, mortgage banking, asset quality and capital management which we believe will give you additional insight on our strong financial foundation supporting the future growth of the company. We will now entertain any questions you may have regarding our financial results. Thank you.

[Operator:]

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Tim O’Brien from Sandler O’Neill. Please go ahead.

[Tim O’Brien:]

Hey Donavon, could you just remind us what the production was -- the in-house production this quarter, not purchased but just in-house production?

[Donavon Ternes:]

The total production was 70 million of multifamily commercial real estate and construction with an additional 12 million of single family coming out of mortgage banking for a total of 82 million. And out of that there was approximately 33 million of purchased multifamily for the quarter.

[Tim O’Brien:]

And how did the pipeline look?

[Donavon Ternes:]

The mortgage pipeline, mortgage banking or the…?

[Tim O’Brien:]

No, no, no, Craig kind of gave pretty good color on that in his remarks saying that activity looks positive and similar to what we've just seen for the foreseeable future, is what he suggested. So, I think that gives us a good sense but just on the preferred loans pipeline?

[Donavon Ternes:]

The pipeline is very similar to what it has been over the last six months or so. And if you think about that in context of what our origination volume has been without the purchase activity for the June quarter, there's a slide in the presentation, in the investor presentation, which would give you some color on what the expectations would be for volume. But I don't want to discount the potential activity in purchases of pools because it seems like we're seeing a bit more opportunity there. We've always looked at purchases in the past but it has been difficult to find the credit quality at the pricing that we were willing to execute on.

[Tim O’Brien:]

And what's -- as part of the purchase loan, you guys added this quarter and kind of better product out there in the environment, what's the term or structure of those loans typically, is there an average life to the pool that you bought or the pools that you bought that you're comfortable with and what are you turning away, what are you interested in and what do you dislike?

[Craig Blunden:]

With respect to the purchase packages, as it relates to terms, they're generally 30 year terms but on the 5/1 hybrid arm structure the package we purchased this quarter had seasoning from as little as one year to as long as three years with respect to the credit quality, they fit in the same box as our origination standards, in other words we're not losing their credit quality with respect to purchases. Some of the things we don't like for instance are interest only loans, we're not doing anything of that nature. We don't like non recourse loans, so everything we're doing has a guarantee attached to it unless it's directly to an individual borrower. Our underwriting standards are right where they are with respect to our origination and one of the key components with respect to the purchase activity is that we're getting a new appraisal on every loan that we're purchasing. So, every single one of those loans, we will have another appraisal so we'll understand where current market is relative to the appraisal that is contained in the file. Additionally we have the benefit of not only updated credit history but payment history on the files themselves. It carries some prepayment risks because most of the packages are coming with a premium, but much of that is offset because these packages will or these individual loans will typically have prepayment penalties as well.

[Tim O’Brien:]

And so that premium is going to be amortized over or overtime and that'll factor through NII?

[Craig Blunden:]

Correct.

[Tim O’Brien:]

And be a little bit of a drag I guess?

[Craig Blunden:]

Yes, it's a little bit of a drag, I mean we price it with some forecast of prepayment speed if you will. And our originations also have prepayment risks but doesn't have the premium attached to it. But when we load in the premium relative to the purchase activity and compare it to the origination activity we're pricing to our portfolio guidelines. We can get a little tighter than that because there's less work to do in a purchase package to some degree, much of the information is already in the file, so there's very little processing, it's straight to underwriting an appraisal and then credit decision. If I compare the yields, the package that we purchased in June and I estimate a prepayment speed to them, they're in the low 3s to mid 3 yield on a 5/1 hybrid with probably about 2.5 years of seasoning to it.

[Tim O’Brien:]

And from an LTV standpoint, Donavan, do you look at those on an LTV at origination or you looking at -- looking at them on a new appraise origination based on the new appraisal?

[Donavon Ternes:]

We're doing both. So, we look at the underwriting at the time the loan was originated and then secondarily because we're getting a new appraisal we're looking at the current LTVs but given the strength in the multifamily market over the last few years, I don't think there's a single new appraisal that came in at a higher LTV than at origination. And in fact I think the LTVs in most cases were below what they were at origination.

[Tim O’Brien:]

So, the loans you've seen evaluating, how much appreciation of these properties seen in the past couple of years and I'm assuming those properties are in your footprint, is that a fair statement or they all over California?

[Donavon Ternes:]

Well our footprint for multifamily is all over California. So, we lend near the urban centers. That’s in Northern and Southern California. So, yes, the footprint is all in California for us. But, it's really difficult -- I would literally have to go and kind of look at the files but I know when we were looking at them in their credit committee, the appraisals could come in 5% to 10% higher than what they were.

[Tim O’Brien:]

And then quick question for Craig -- I think you -- I didn’t catch because there was some noise in the background, in your remarks did you talk about the loan sale margin outlook and gave an indication that it's a little bit stronger here, heading into the calendar year third quarter. That's what I thought I heard but is that -- am I characterizing your remarks correctly?

[Craig Blunden:]

I was starting to make a comment on your last question that in addition on these packages we're also stressing these cap rates and in fact many times that's something that will throw the loan out. It doesn't need our criteria to drive the loan value up for us. So, that's one more thing that we're doing in these -- the analysis of each loan within the purchase packages. And that too our margins, what I didn't give an outlook for the margin per say, what I said is that we're leading in the upper range of the margins looking back historically. So, they have been strong so far.

[Tim O’Brien:]

Hey guys. Thanks for all the color.

[Operator:]

Your next question comes from the line of Fred Cannon from KBW. Please go ahead.

[Fred Cannon:]

Thanks for taking my question, and you've already provided some great color. I just had a few more of narrow questions, I hope I'm not repeating something. On Slide 8 of your package when you show the loans held for investment, the single family loans had a pretty good jump year-over-year in the interest rate from 3.28 to 3.66, while, during a period when rates generally have come down, so I was wondering if you could just give us a little bit of color on what the makeup of that single family piece of the portfolio as to get that increase in the yield?

[Donavon Ternes:]

The bulk of our single family portfolio is legacy if you will and they were all hybrid arms and so they're all in their fully indexed period at this stage. So, the result of short term interest rates rising and the re-pricing of the indices upwards relative to short term rates rising gave us the better yield in the single family.

[Fred Cannon:]

And it's more or less in line with the one rate rise that we have seen and what's gone in the short end of the curve. One question on the -- we also saw a fairly large increase in the held to maturity portfolio this quarter. And I apologize if you already went over that, but was there anything in particular in terms of package that you guys put into -- for maturity that was especially appealing with what you saw to drive that increase?

[Donavon Ternes:]

Are you talking about investment securities?

[Fred Cannon:]

Yes, yes, investment securities, sorry. Yes.

[Donavon Ternes:]

Nothing out of the ordinary with respect to appealing. What we're doing with respect to the investment securities portfolio is looking for opportunity relative to the environment and relative to the cash flows of our balance sheet. So, to the extent you were to see or if you were to see loans held for sale decline creating cash and we make some determination that maybe we're at these lower levels for an intermediate term if you will, we'll reinvest that cash in the mortgage bank securities. Given the new requirements we made a strategic decision to put them to held to maturity and the cash flow characteristics of the mortgage bags that we're doing, they are either seasoned hybrid that are currently in their fully adjustable period given us interest rate risk protection. Or they are seasoned 10 year fully amortizing MDS that are also spinning off significant cash flows over the next couple of years.

[Fred Cannon:]

So, just on the degree it was a -- you have a lot of cash on the balance sheet that was -- it looked like an opportune time to make some investment that didn't take a lot of rate risk with it, is that?

[Donavon Ternes:]

Correct.

[Fred Cannon:]

And then one other on slide 15, and again I'm not I hope I'm not repeating something you already said, we did see the recourse reserve drop fairly meaningfully, I was wondering if you could provide a bit of color on that, drop on that chart on slide 15?

[Donavon Ternes:]

Yes, during the fiscal year there was a particular legacy investor that we had been negotiating with as it relates to legacy origination volume pre crisis, we came to terms with that investor towards the end of the March quarter, we fully reserved for what we felt was going to be the litigation payment if you will and we made that payment in the June quarter.

[Fred Cannon:]

Okay. And so this level that the recourse reserve is currently at, there's no reason to think it would go back up to its previous because you took care of what the issue that was causing the reserve to be that high?

[Donavon Ternes:]

Correct and indeed if we start thinking about some of the components of litigation and perhaps the stature of limitations, we have very little with respect to current origination volume that is coming back to us on a recourse basis given the underwriting characteristics today. And we're eight years into, seven years into post prices and post origination of those earlier volumes. So, in many respects we do not anticipate any legacy claims coming back to us.

[Fred Cannon:]

And then finally I know I think Tim asked the question already about the gain on sale. My impression -- and when I'm kind of modeling, my impression of what happened during the first half of the year is that the 10 year bond yields sell meaningfully, mortgage rates came down but not to that same extent and so to some extent we're in a period of relatively healthy margins and so but if we start to see kind of the competition heat up again in the front end we could potentially see some downward pressure in the future quarters kind of as you were alluding to that these current margins are kind of at the high end of -- highish end of where they currently -- they have been. I wanted to see if that's kind of with my understanding is roughly correct with what you're saying? And then two is you've yet to see that kind of front end competition for the loans start to show any signs of squeezing margins yet?

[Craig Blunden:]

I think your thought process there is right on, I'd agree with that. And at this point I don't believe we have [indiscernible] but we haven't seen that happen at this point.

[Donavon Ternes:]

It's a competitive pressure thing and we -- everybody in the industry is originating healthy volumes now and so there's very little pricing pressure per say to have full pipeline but the minute you see rates tick up a bit and pipelines perhaps falling a bit you'll get competitive pressure with respect to the pricing of the product.

[Fred Cannon:]

Very helpful. I appreciate the time.

[Operator:]

[Operator Instructions] And at this time there are no further questions.

[Craig Blunden:]

Alright, I want to thank everyone for being on our call today and look forward to speaking to you all next quarter. Thank you.

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