Tandem Diabetes Care, Inc.
Q3 2021 Earnings Call Transcript

Published: 3 Nov 2021

[Operator:]

Thank you for standing by, and welcome to Tandem's Third Quarter Earnings Call. At this time all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. . Please be advised that today's conference may be recorded. . I would now like to hand the conference over to your host EVP and Chief Administrative Officer, Susan Morrison. Please go ahead.

[Susan Morrison:]

Thank you. Good afternoon, everyone and thanks for joining Tandem's third quarter 2021 earnings call. Today's discussion will include forward-looking statements. These statements reflect management's expectations about future events, product development timelines and financial performance and operating plans and speak only as of today's date. There are risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those anticipated or projected in our forward-looking statements. A list of factors that could cause actual results to be materially different from those expressed or implied by any of these forward-looking statements it's highlighted in our press release issued earlier today, and under the risk factors portion and elsewhere in our most recent annual report on Form-10K, quarterly report on Form 10-Q and then our other SEC filings. We assume no obligation to publicly update any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events, or other factors. In addition, today's discussion will include references to adjusted EBITDA, which is a non-GAAP financial measure. Adjusted EBITDA is a key measure used by us to evaluate operating performance, generate future operating plans and make strategic decisions for the allocation of capital. Please refer to our press release issued earlier today for further information. Hosting today's call are John Sheridan, our President and CEO, and Leigh Vosseller, our EVP and Chief Financial Officer. Following the prepared remarks, we'll be opening up the call for questions. Thanks for limiting yourself to one question before getting back in the queue. I'll now turn the call over to John.

[John Sheridan:]

Thank you, Susan, and welcome everyone to today's call. 2021 has been remarkable. We delivered a record setting third quarter in terms of robust sales, improving gross margin and generation of cash. We continue to add new customers at an industry leading rate. And since the third quarter of last year, we are welcome more than 100,000 people to our worldwide installed base. These achievements would be impressive in any environment, but are especially so as we continue to navigate the challenges of COVID-19. From sales and clinical to quality supply chain and manufacturing, the efforts of our team members are contributing to further our mission to improve the lives of people with diabetes. And thank you to everyone. Looking back at the quarter, strong worldwide demand for Control-IQ, seasonality, and COVID-19 all created puts and takes in influencing our sales patterns. These vary slightly between the domestic internet and international portions of our business. So I'll spend some time upfront discussing both in more detail. Starting with our domestic business, in October, I had the opportunity to meet with members of our sales and clinical teams in various regions of the country. Their feedback was very consistent. And I was proud that the loudest sentiment shared was on the positive impact that we are making with our market leading Control-IQ technology. Demand and interest from the diabetes community remains high, which supports our belief that we are still in the early innings of Control-IQ adoption. The challenges our field team described are largely a byproduct of this high demand coupled with the continued navigation of COVID-19. As a reminder, we have approximately 95 territories during the third quarter. And our territories are typically comprised of both a sales rep and a diabetes nurse educator. Over the past 18 months, their productivity rate of our sales territory has grown very high, which was manageable when we were operating in a remote environment. That is COVID restrictions began to lift and in-person sales calls and clinical training began increasing. The team's available capacity became stretched thin as we work to keep up with demand. With this in mind, in anticipation of continuing growth in 2022 and beyond, we are in the process of expanding to approximately 110 territories. We are also investing in our internal teams that support the sales and customer training processes. Another interesting dynamic discussed by our field teams is that the broader labor shortages being experienced across the country are also impacting healthcare prescriber offices. As a result, their sphere staff to see patients and handle back office workload, and some healthcare providers are having fewer in office days to accommodate the continued prominent use of telemedicine. This is why the initiatives that we have in place to build out our provider and patient facing data platforms are so important. The Tandem source platform represents the new generation of our t

[Leigh Vosseller:]

Thanks, John. Good afternoon everyone. Our streak of records continues with our highest sales quarter ever increased profits and strong cash flow generation, even with the backdrop of the global pandemic. While the pandemic has made it difficult to predict near-term variations in market conditions, the strong demand for the t

[Operator:]

Thank you. . Our first question comes from the line of Matt O'Brien of Piper Sandler. Your line is open.

[Unidentified Analyst:]

Hey, good afternoon, guys. This is Drew on for Matt, and thank you for taking the questions. I just want to push a little bit more on the comments related to COVID. Maybe I'm over reading your comments a little bit. But it kind of sounds like you're saying that the virtual training environment was a bit of a tailwind to your U.S. business and now you kind of have to play a little bit of catch up from a sales force perspective as things resume in-person. Is that the right interpretation of those comments? And I guess if so does that suggest that that pressure might linger a little bit over the next couple of quarters? Or can you backfill that with the territory ads relatively quickly?

[John Sheridan:]

Thanks. That's a great question. I just want to start off by saying that we had a great quarter, it was really strong performance. And we're confident that the fundamentals of the business remain intact. We clearly experienced some unusual COVID related effects this quarter, particularly when you consider that the seasonality in the U.S. was more resemble the typical seasonality we see in Europe where people take an entire month off, but that was very evident to us as the quarter began, this is well deserved time off. But clearly it was very different than we've seen in the past. And I'd also say that, the Delta variant, it seemed like the offices were opening up, and then they close back up pretty quickly in different locations and geographies. But there's an inefficiency, I think that comes along with that. And finally the endo practices themselves, they were impacted by these broader staffing challenges. And I think with lower staff online, they were basically pushing out endo visits. So it wasn't necessarily that the -- there was inefficiency in the virtual environment, it was more that the access to the actual endos has changed in this particular quarter. And I think I just want to say it was a challenging environment, but we did a great job, I'm proud of the team and it was a strong performance.

[Unidentified Analyst:]

Okay, that's super helpful. And then just briefly on International Control-IQ in Germany and France, maybe you could just speak to it in a little bit more detail. Despite the seasonality, did you see an acceleration compared to how those regions were growing with base IQ and how is that compared to when you've rolled out Control-IQ in other regions? Thank you.

[John Sheridan:]

Yes, our international team is frequently in touch with our distributors. And they've been very upbeat about Control-IQ. We're just getting started in France and Germany, as you said, but the initial demand has been very strong. And we think we've got a long runway there for success. And then if you look into the other smaller markets, we're capturing significant market share with Control-IQ in those markets. And we're also, we're seeing very significant success in capturing new tenders. So I would say that the excitement that we've seen here in the U.S. is being replicated OUS, it's under penetrated market. And we think we've got a long runway there. So we're quite excited about it.

[Unidentified Analyst:]

Very helpful. Thank you.

[John Sheridan:]

Yes.

[Operator:]

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Danielle Antalffy of SVB Leerink. Your line is open.

[Danielle Antalffy:]

Hey, good afternoon, guys. Thanks so much for taking the question. Just a quick question on the Type 2 opportunity and good to hear you guys are starting the feasibility study, I guess I'm just curious about how to think about what it's going to take to get after the Type 2 market from an access perspective, one of the things we're hearing out there is that it's really about access and the pharmacy going through the pharmacy versus even data and the label, I'd be curious to hear what you guys say about that? Thanks so much.

[John Sheridan:]

Sure, it's good to hear from you, Danielle. I would say that, our plans as we've described in the past are really to get our current product to get Control-IQ approved for the Type 2 community first, but right now we have just less than 10% of the people in our installed base are Type 2 and they're seeing incredible results using Control-IQ and just in terms of managing their therapy. So we have a lot of confidence that this is going to be, it's going to be impactful for the Type 2 community. And as I said, we're really focused on getting through these clinical studies, we're going to start a smaller study this month. And we think that's going to inform us on the design of a pivotal study that would be done next year. And so we would expect that sometime late 2022 or 2023, we'd be in a position to submit the application for the approval to the FDA, probably a 2023 approval. So, we think that we've got a good plan, we're also spending quite a bit of internal resource. So just understanding the opportunities to develop additional products for Type 2, we have people looking at the clinical benefits, we have people looking at features in the products and access. And so access is something that we do need to research, specifically to the pharmacy channel, I'll just let Leigh comment on that.

[Leigh Vosseller:]

Sure. And so what I'll say when people refer to the pharmacy channel, I think they're usually referring to the simplification of the ordering process or the perceived simplification of the ordering process. And so to John's point, there's a lot of research to be done about what it might take for the Type 2 space if it's different, but what we believe is that we can optimize that upfront ordering process and still leverage the structure we built around DME so that we can make it just as simple and streamlined. And that wouldn't be necessarily be a barrier or a change that we would have to make in the long-term.

[Danielle Antalffy:]

Okay, that makes sense. I guess I just have one follow-up on that. So one of the things that I thought I heard from at least one or two primary care physicians is that for whatever reason, the reimbursement hurdles for Type 2 pharmacy are lower than the DME. Is that true or is it really just about the prior off and maybe whatever they have to do in their office to get that reimbursement, those hurdles might be lower. And that's what you're referring to?

[Leigh Vosseller:]

Sure, I think it's hard to put a broad generalization on reimbursement through pharmacy is all being one way, depending on where you're structured in the tiers of their formularies, it might vary, you might have a basic copay, you might have a coinsurance that still looks like it does DME channel. So that's part of what we'll continue to evaluate as well to see if we can make a difference there. But for now, we'll continue to focus on optimizing the DME experience. And I think like I said before, evaluate whether or not we need to make a change.

[Danielle Antalffy:]

Okay, thanks so much, guys.

[John Sheridan:]

Take care.

[Operator:]

Thank you. Our next question comes from Matt Taylor of UBS. Your question, please.

[Matt Taylor:]

Hi, excuse me, thank you for taking the question. I wanted to start with just a follow-up on the two comments that you made about the near-term performance. I mean, firstly, would you be able to quantify or help us understand, how much the July seasonality negatively impacted the quarter versus your expectations? And then I think we made a comment that you saw picked up in October, could you help us frame that in terms of what you've seen in the past?

[Leigh Vosseller:]

Sure. Thanks for the question, Matt. It was a highly unusual quarter in terms of the market dynamics that we were experiencing, John walked through the part about it started with an intensive vacation season, it turned into a Delta variant surge. And we were confident that we would still see a strong Q4 because it's routine and customary for people to hit their deductibles that they move forward some purchases, I think the difference this year was that we saw that come a bit later than what we're accustomed to seeing. So in the past, usually really picks up right after Labor Day when people are going back to school and getting settled back into what I would call a more normal routine. And what we thought was that it came about more so in October, so we're still very excited about where we're headed for Q4. I think it just changed that what's usually a modest step up from Q2 to Q3 this time to make it a little more flattish.

[Matt Taylor:]

Right, right. Okay. And I wanted to circle back on the commentary that you had on sales force expansion. So maybe you could just give us a sense for, what is going from the 95 to the 110 territories in year in terms of runway and how much do you think they'll be at maturity? What will next few years look like in terms of continued sales force expansion?

[John Sheridan:]

Sure, Matt. I mean, we've seen incredible growth over the last few years. And the result is that our clinical teams and sales force really has industry leading productivity days, it's very, very high. And this is typically the time of the year that the sales team, they get together, they look at the various territories of productivity of the territories, and they make decisions on what is needed to deal with the current demand that we're experiencing as well as what we need for next year and beyond really. And so I think that adding 15 territories right now is what they feel is going to support current demand as well as get us through 2022. I would say that they're always assessing this, though, and I think that we feel this is going to get us to where we have to be, it's the right number. And I think that it's something that's constantly evaluated that was not like we think that's going to take us through to a couple of more years. We'll probably do this the same time next year as well. I'll also say that as we add members to the sales organization in the field, we also have a relatively large organization internally that supports the field and the clinical teams. And we're obviously adding to them as well. And that that definitely helps the overall productivity of the system. But both of those are happening as we speak right now. We hope to have these people in place by the beginning of the year, so we can start off strong.

[Matt Taylor:]

Okay, thanks for the context, John. Thanks.

[John Sheridan:]

Take care, Matt.

[Operator:]

Thank you. Our next question comes from Travis Steed of Barclays. Please go ahead.

[Travis Steed:]

Questions, I guess put a little further out, if you think about some of the puts and takes over the next 12 months, maybe some potential for competition, but also bigger sales force, some of the tailwinds like new product launches. Just kind of curious how you see the puts and takes over the next year, if you will, and the Street is kind of at the low end of what you typically do it modeling 20%, so just kind of thinking about the next 12 months, if you will.

[John Sheridan:]

Yes, I mean, I think that the factors that have made this successful Travis in the past really exist now and probably even more so, because our pipeline is -- next year has been a great year for our pipeline where we have mobile bolus, we're going to have 10 of source, we're going to have the integration of the CGM companies, and we're also hoping that we have t

[SusanMorrison:]

Yes, I guess I would just add on top of all those positives. So one other element is that the renewal opportunity continues to step up pretty significantly next year. So we're looking forward to that as well.

[Travis Steed:]

Great. And on the Virtual R&D day, I don't know if there is any additional color you could add at this point? Are you planning on updating that 500,000 patients LRP that you've got out there for 2024 at the Virtual R&D day? Or will you wait and do that at a later point? And is it going to be more like product focused? Or is it going to be with discuss highlighting some of the software investments that you've made over the past year?

[John Sheridan:]

Yes, I think it's going to be really focused on R&D. And I think that there'll be time I think in the future, talk more about the sort of the financial objectives that we've got. So I think that, it's going to be the broad spectrum of our vision for the next five years. And so it'll include software and hardware. And we're really excited to share this with you guys. We've been keeping an internal for a while now. And I think that you're going to be equally as excited when you have a chance to look at it, because it's definitely going to be driving growth for us for the next five years and beyond. And I think it's going to be a great day for everybody.

[Travis Steed:]

Great, looking forward to it. Thanks a lot.

[John Sheridan:]

You too. Thanks. Take care, Travis.

[Operator:]

Thank you. Next question comes from Brooks O'Neil of Lake Street Capital. Your question please.

[Brooks O'Neil:]

Good afternoon. I have one question that's got two elements to it. I'm trying to keep gear format. So first, recognizing as Leigh said that domestically, most of the insurance plans reset at the end of December. Do you feel the late start to the fourth quarter bump is going to in any way limit your ability to fulfill or sell pumps in the strong seasonal fourth quarter? And then sort of I think, related? Do you -- have you seen any benefit or impact from the delayed competitive launches? And if so, how do you think that's affected you? Thanks a lot.

[Susan Morrison:]

Thanks, Brooks, I'll take the first part of the question. When it comes to the deductibles resetting, it's such a powerful force to move people through that purchasing cycle, we don't anticipate there's going to be any problem with managing everyone that needs to come through with the capacity that we have in place. We frankly prepare for this all year long. And we know this volume is going to come, so we feel competent, and being able to push through everyone who comes to the table.

[John Sheridan:]

And Brooks. I'll also point out that we raise guidance in the fourth quarter as well, which I think shows that we've got. And then what relative, as I mentioned on the call, I was in the Salesforce with -- I was in the field with Brian and a Salesforce this past month, and had great conversations with the team and really got to understand the things that they were hearing and seeing. And if you recall on the second quarter call, we basically indicated that we thought that the second half of this year was going to be primarily impacted by COVID and very little competitive activity. And I would say that's exactly what's happening. I mean, some people are talking about it. But the real issue this quarter was this past quarter was COVID. And not much chatter about the new products. I would say that there is still some uncertainty because of the FDA on their availability. And we'll just have to wait and see when they do get to that process.

[Brooks O'Neil:]

Absolutely. Thanks a lot.

[John Sheridan:]

Take care, Brooks.

[Susan Morrison:]

Thanks, Brooks.

[Operator:]

Thank you. Our next question comes from Alex Nowak of Craig-Hallum Capital. Your line is open.

[Alex Nowak:]

Great. Good afternoon, everyone. Gone back to the mobile bolus. You responded to questions in August, the FDA. So the FDA review clock still ticking here? And aren't you pretty close to hitting that 90-day review window with the 510-K? And then just curious if the delay relates to a couple of cyber security notices we've seen issued by the FDA recently just in adjacent areas?

[John Sheridan:]

Yes. Hi, Alex, how you doing? You're right. We basically, we got the questions in the spring. And we did a very thorough job, and we sort of submitted them back in the August timeframe, When we have some initial conversations with them, just let us know that they received them. But really, since then, there hasn't been anything that's been meaningful in terms of communication. And I would say that, the issues that we're dealing with here really don't have to do with cyber security, that was the very first thing we hit with the FDA, I think they're quite pleased with the approach that we've taken and the design parameters that we've implemented, you know, what really happened in this most recent response has to do with how the patient's interact with the system, how they interact with a cell phone, and a lot to do a training. And so, we had to go back and revise our training approach, so that it was more in the app as opposed to in a manual that was really most of the work that we did. So I think that, they're very busy right now, I think any of those metrics that they established, and were probably they were adhering to 18 months ago are no longer valid. And I think they're still very busy supporting COVID. And a lot of the people that have been part of the groups that we have worked with are still not back yet. And so I imagine that everybody's experiencing the same thing. But hopefully, it'll return to normal next year. But right now, it appears that we're hoping and planning for approval here. But as we get further and further into November, it seems like practically it probably won't happen, we'll just have to wait and see what does happen.

[Alex Nowak:]

Okay, I understand. That makes sense. And once you do get the mobile's approval, how quickly can you pivot that into a submission for t

[John Sheridan:]

Well, I think that's -- I think we have to do. We have to see the -- what actually are the lessons learned from the mobile bolus feedback we get from the FDA. And how much work that's going to be, if we're going to be required to apply that to t

[Alex Nowak:]

Okay. Appreciate it. Thank you.

[John Sheridan:]

Yes. Take care.

[Operator:]

Thank you. Our next question comes from Chris Pasquale of Guggenheim. Please go ahead.

[Chris Pasquale:]

Thanks for taking the questions. You've talked about the renewal opportunity, which becomes a much bigger deal for you guys over the next couple of years as you sort of lap the significant new customer gains that you had a few years ago. Curious if you could just give us some updated metrics on how you think you're doing in terms of converting those patients that are ready for a new pump today. And how you're approaching it really maximizing the opportunity over the next couple of years to try and get as many of those patients to come on with a second pump? Thanks.

[Leigh Vosseller:]

Sure. So when I think about the renewal opportunity. Our team has been very focused on obviously for many years, and over the course of these years, since we began going after those opportunities. We've learned a lot of lessons. We've implemented a lot of changes on our process, efficiencies, where we approach patients. And most importantly, our retention activities along the way. So it's not like a patient hears from us again for the first time four years after they bought their first pump. And so that's proven to really improve our renewal metrics. And where we are right now is we're tracking to being at about a 60% cumulative renewal rate by the end of this year, which is a pretty big step up compared to where we were at the end of last year. And it's great, because we're positioned well as the number of new opportunities increases pretty dramatically. And by that, I mean, if you look back to 2017 versus 2018, the number of pumps we shipped practically doubled. So we're looking at the number of opportunities for next year, practically doubling what we're seeing this year. So we think we're in a good spot. We continue to see progress. And we're very pleased with where we're headed with it.

[Operator:]

Thank you. Our next question comes from Steve Lichtman of Oppenheimer & Company. Your line is open.

[Steve Lichtman:]

Thank you. John, you talked about the momentum you guys were seeing internationally, but also talked about the fact that you're relatively early on in relative to Control-IQ expansion. Can you put some more color around that red, whether qualitative or quantitative? Where are you guys on the rollout in France and Germany? What other countries are you targeting here near-term? Just your outlook for continuing that international momentum would be great?

[John Sheridan:]

Yes, absolutely. I mean, I'll start off by saying that right now we have 300,000 patients worldwide and two-thirds 200,000 are using Control-IQ, which is really, really exciting. And in terms of momentum, we have 30 million patient days of data in our databases that that really help and helps us understand the performance of the system and benefit our product development initiatives. So great momentum there. I would say that, it's early in France and Germany, and being so early, it's really exciting to see the interest and that's been an initial strong demand. I mean, clearly, there're big markets, we're just getting started, it's only been a month or so maybe two months at best. Since we've started to push the products in that area. So we think that this is -- there's a long runway here. And I would expect that just like we saw it in the States. We saw strong demand, and it continues to be strong, we expect to see that OUS. And I think as you know, the country for in now that 20 or 20 plus countries we're in now represent almost 2.5x the number of people that are here in the States. And so underpenetrated large market and great technology. We think it's a winning formula.

[Steve Lichtman:]

Great, thanks. I'll jump back in queue.

[John Sheridan:]

Take care.

[Operator:]

Thank you. Our next question comes from Joanne Wuensch of Citi. Your line is open.

[Unidentified Analyst:]

Hi, this is Anthony on for Joanne. Thanks for taking our question. I understand that it might be a bit early, but to the extent that you can, what initial labeling should we expect for t

[John Sheridan:]

Yes, sure. I think that, well right now, if you look just up the pump, the t

[Unidentified Analyst:]

Great, thanks.

[John Sheridan:]

Yes.

[Operator:]

The next question comes from Ravi Misra of Berenberg Capital Management. Your line is open.

[Ravi Misra:]

Hi, good evening. Thanks, John. Thanks for taking the questions.

[John Sheridan:]

Hi, Ravi.

[Ravi Misra:]

Just I guess, I'll use my bullet on the international sales and kind of the -- but can you talk a little bit more about the stalking. That's about $3 million number that you mentioned, Leigh. And as we kind of go forward, you're having this tech day. Are you going to layout some of the more international strategy around how you plan to attack other markets beyond Europe? How should we think about kind of the rest of the world? There's a lot of diabetics out there beyond Europe. And what kind of timeframe should be thinking about you guys getting into that that world? Thank you.

[Leigh Vosseller:]

Sure. Thanks Ravi for the question. I'll start with talking about the benefits that we talked about in the third quarter. And this really came through the supply sales and international markets. And I think the one piece that's been more difficult is the variability we've seen in the ordering patterns across the year. So what we wanted to highlight is, as you look at this third quarter in particular, there was about $3 million of incremental benefits that just came from the timing of when supplies were ordered. And that's in an effort to help just from a modeling perspective, because typically, the supply sales are the easiest to model and give you a level of predictability for the future. So hopefully, that helps when you're thinking about how to model out the international sales until we get out of this type of COVID environment that's creating the variability that we're seeing today. And you asked about where we go next, basically. So I'll start with 2022, it's really going to be about a year of building getting more depth in the markets that we're in. So we're not necessarily going to be talking about any major expansions. But we will in the future, talk more about where we're going to go after this. There's so much room to run there, as John said, so much under penetration, a really large market, that we want to make sure that we're capitalizing on that today before we take too many steps forward.

[John Sheridan:]

And then just relative to the pipeline and international, we made this transition pretty quickly over the last several years. And I think that right now we're definitely thinking like an international company. And when we talk about pipeline projects, it's definitely something that's part of the equation. I would say that there's a benefit in the U.S. today because of the interoperability initiatives, the regulatory challenges are not as significant as they are OUS. I doubt we'll talk too much in depth about it really the R&D Day is going to be about vision where we're headed. But I think in time we will definitely speak more about it because it's definitely a huge opportunity. I think we see it as you do and we want to take advantage of it.

[Operator:]

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Matthew Blackman of Stifel. Your line is open.

[Matthew Blackman:]

Good afternoon, everybody. Thanks for taking my question. John, you mentioned starting a Control-IQ enhancement study, is that the Control-IQ 2.0 study that's being run at UVA, I think it started late in the summer and if so, when might we see that data? Is it possible that we'd see it at ADA or maybe even ATTD, just any more color you can give us on that? Thanks.

[John Sheridan:]

Yes, no, you're right. That is, we have Control-IQ 1.5, which is, I would say as the kind of modest changes to the function of the product, not really algorithmic in nature, and then Control-IQ 2.0, which is really what we're investigating today and in a smaller study that's in UVA. And when you sort of think about what, we had to go out and do a great deal of market research to understand what were the features that we wanted to include in it. And then those features had to be designed and implemented, modeled and tested. And now we're at a point where we're doing clinical studies on those. And so, the way it's going to work really is that we're going to probably iterate through these features, generate a significant amount of information, share that with the FDA, and then decide what might Control-IQ 2.0 look like, and then design the pivotal study for it. And so this, we're excited about this. I mean, we had, I mean we were excited about the results, it's really cool to start doing something significantly new and different. And I would say that our clinical team definitely wants to present the data. They're excited about it as well. I don't know if we'll be in a position to do it that early. But I mean, I think that everything that we do clinically, we will ultimately share with the broader community because, I think it's going to be -- there's going to be great results and further the excitement and the growth opportunities that we have here at Tandem.

[Matthew Blackman:]

Thanks, John.

[John Sheridan:]

Sure, thanks. Take care, Matt.

[Operator:]

Thank you. Our next question comes from Jayson Bedford of Raymond James. Your line is open.

[Pavan Surabhi:]

Hi, this is Pavan Surabhi in for Jayson. One quick question, is there any timing update you guys can provide us on the G7 integration, as well as Libre integration? What more has to be done for those two things can happen? Thanks.

[John Sheridan:]

Sure, as we've talked about in the past, we've been working with Abbott now for about a year, and we're making great progress. Tandem is really focused on the integration of technology into our pump. And in parallel, Abbott is focused on addressing the Vitamin C issues that they have with the iCGM designation and AID Systems. So those are happening in parallel. I think at some point, we're going to have, I think that there's an FDA clearance that's going to be acquired for Abbott. And I think that that really will be the sort of the long pole at this point in time. When it comes to Dexcom, we've integrated three generations of their sensors already. We're on the fourth, we know how to do this. And so we would anticipate shortly, I mean we've said months after their approval, their FDA approval, we'd be in a position to introduce the product. So, we're moving aggressively here. We think that these are two very exciting initiatives for us that are going to drive a lot of interest in the company and our products. So we are definitely resourcing these things and taking them very seriously.

[Operator:]

Thank you, and that's all the questions we have in queue. This does conclude today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

[John Sheridan:]

Looks like we have one more.

[Operator:]

We actually do. We have a question from Brooks O'Neil, Lake Street Capital. Your line is open.

[Brooks O'Neil:]

Hey, guys. Sorry. I appreciate your squeezing me in here. I was just thinking you were talking about Dexcom and Abbott. So I was curious obviously, the over bolus feature works in conjunction with Apple and I guess Android phones as well. Would it be reasonable to think there might be other ways you can work with Apple and or Android manufacturers down the road?

[John Sheridan:]

Yes, I mean I think that's, I mean, I think once we integrate the technology onto a phone, Brooks, there's just a wide range of opportunities that we've got there. I mean, there's, I mean, there's a watch, I mean there's a watch people, if you can get onto the Apple pump, the watch is not that far away. So that's an opportunity, I would say. And then there's also just all of the features that you have on your phone, I mean when you consider just how you interact with it today, I could envision where we have the ability to order supplies, the ability to text our customer support lines, the ability to just open up videos that help explain how the system works, if there's questions like that. So there's a tremendous amount of opportunity that we established once we get into this mobile space. And we certainly intend to take advantage of it. Now I think it's going to be very exciting. It's going to really reduce the burden on people using it, it's going to be convenient. And it's also going to be very discreet. So all these things are great for the people who are using our systems. And, we'll talk more about this on R&D Day, but it's going to be -- it's going to be a, it's a really cool opportunity for us and people using our systems.

[Brooks O'Neil:]

Great. Thank you very much, John.

[John Sheridan:]

Take care, Brooks.

[Operator:]

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