TherapeuticsMD, Inc.
Q4 2019 Earnings Call Transcript

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  • Operator:
    Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us for the TherapeuticsMD Fourth Quarter 2019 Financial Results Conference Call. Following prepared remarks from the company, we will open the call for questions. I would now like to turn the call over to TherapeuticsMD's Vice President of Investor Relations, Nichol Ochsner. Nichol?
  • Nichol Ochsner:
    Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining today to discuss our fourth quarter financial results and business update. This morning TherapeuticsMD issued a press release announcing our fourth quarter financial results. The press release is available on the company's website, therapeuticsmd.com in the Investors & Media section. On today's call from TherapeuticsMD are Chief Executive Officer, Robert Finizio; Chief Financial Officer, Dan Cartwright; and Chief Commercial Officer, Dawn Halkuff.
  • Robert Finizio:
    Good morning, and thank you for joining today's call. Let me briefly review the agenda today on Slide 3. I will start with a review of 2019, and then we will provide an in-depth look at our strategy and plans for 2020. Dawn will provide a commercial overview, and then, turn the call to Dan to review our financial results. Then we will close with 2020 financial guidance. In 2019, the focus of the entire organization was on building out the foundational elements that would allow us to accelerate revenue growth in 2020. As you can see on Slide 4, the areas of focus were launching our full portfolio of products, ensuring national payer access, expanding new lines in business such as public health, and transforming our talent base from a clinical-focused company to a commercial-focused organization. Let me recap some of our achievements on Slide 5. First, we exceeded our fourth quarter guidance and met the high-end of our full year guidance. We satisfied the milestone with TPG Sixth Street Partners to access the first additional $50 million loan tranche which we received this week. And we completed an amendment to our financial agreement related to the second $50 million loan tranche in December. Moving on to our payer accomplishments show on Slide 6; starting with ANNOVERA, commercial coverage was gained quickly. Less than four months after the limited launch commenced we achieved 75% commercial coverage demonstrating strong with net revenue per unit, and this in turn allowed us to enter into new markets for ANNOVERA, including Medicaid, Title 10 and the Department of Defense.
  • Dawn Halkuff:
    Thank you, Rob. I'm happy to be able to share our 2020 plans to grow the portfolio. Let me start with how we are prioritizing our spend and focus this year. We are in a unique situation. As shown on Slide 8, we have three products, all in early launch mode. As you know, products and launch mode take a higher level of focus than those that have been on the market multiple years and are on maintenance mode. This is a fantastic opportunity for us, but also requires a plan that allows each brand the spotlight so that growth can continue across the board. To that end, based on our experience in 2019 we have modified the structure of our sales force to accomplish that as shown on Slide 9.
  • Dan Cartwright:
    Thanks, Dawn. On today's call, I'm going to review our 2019 financial performance, which will focus on the trends for the fourth quarter of 2019 compared to the third quarter of 2019. As a reminder, our fourth quarter and full year 2019 financial results are included in our press release issued today with the full results of our 2019 10-K to follow. Our fourth quarter 2019 total net revenue from product sales increased 94% to $15.9 million from $8.2 million for the third quarter. As shown on Slide 16, this beats the upper end of our fourth quarter guidance by $650,000. The company has met or exceeded expectations for the last 3 quarters. Finally, the fourth quarter net revenue of $13.3 million from the sales of FDA approved products exceeded the debt trigger of $11 million allowing us to draw the additional $50 million in financing from TPG Sixth Street Partners. We continue to see net revenue increase quarter-over-quarter. Move to Slide 17. IMVEXXY net revenue grew 33% to $6.3 million for the fourth quarter over the third quarter. This change was driven by the increase in net revenue per unit. As you can see IMVEXXY's calculated net revenue per unit increased to $51 per unit versus $35 per unit for the third quarter. The net revenue increase was somewhat offset by volume declines in the IMVEXXY for the quarter. Most of the decline in units occurred in the first half of the quarter. This was due to changes in our cash pay program and we saw it trend back up in the second half of the quarter with a strong December. Turn to Slide 18. BIJUVA net revenue was $1.2 million for the fourth quarter of 2019 for the growth of 147% over the third quarter. This was the result of an increase of 37% in the units sold to patients in the fourth quarter over the third quarter. At the same time, BIJUVA's calculated net revenue per unit increased to $56 per unit versus $31 per unit for the third quarter.
  • Robert Finizio:
    Thank you, Dan. Turning to Slide 22. During our 2020 budget review, we focused on cutting non-revenue generating projects, flattening of the organization, eliminating multiple clinical development roles, and pause pipeline development projects. The goal of these cost containment measures was to reinvest the savings into the 2020 marketing initiatives Dawn just discussed. Turning to our financial guidance on Slide 23. Now that you've heard about our sales and marketing plans for 2020, I'd like to provide some color about how we see the year unfolding from a net revenue standpoint. We project our net revenue for 2020 to be between $90 million to $110 million. We expect net product revenue during the second half of the year will be significantly larger than the first half, with the majority coming from ANNOVERA and IMVEXXY. This year is shaping up to be a transformative year for TXMD, creating a significant revenue inflection point for our shareholders. Further, we anticipate high deductible and annual copay resets to impact Q1 revenue for the menopause franchise, and expect Q1 revenue to come in below Q4 revenue for 2019. This is a Q1 industry-wide headwind built into our 2020 annual financial guidance. Looking forward for the rest of 2020, let's start with ANNOVERA on Slide 24. The full launch of ANNOVERA for TXMD's sales force will begin on March 1. In addition, we have secured new partnerships that allow us to enter into new markets that create additional revenue opportunity outside of our direct sales and marketing efforts. For IMVEXXY, our goal is to pass the VVA brand leader, Premarin Vaginal Cream, on a monthly prescription basis by the end of 2020. Lastly, we believe BIJUVA menopause specialist sales force will provide the right focus to build the foundation and allow us to scale BIJUVA in the coming years. Our goal is to become EBITDA positive business in 2001. We believe the investments that we're making in 2020 will drive significant net revenue growth to get us one step closer to that goal, as we build long-term shareholder value. In summary, we will focus on executing our plans to drive revenue growth. We see tremendous opportunity to extend our reach among prescribers and women to focused commercial execution and incremental investment in sales and marketing to maximize potential of our products. We're well positioned to address the unique changes and challenges women experience throughout the various stages of their lives, with a therapeutic focus in reproductive health and menopause management. We're committed to becoming a leader in women's health, and as we see so many unmet needs that we look forward to meeting in the future. And lastly, I would like to thank all of our employees and our shareholders for their continued commitment, dedication, and support last year, as we execute on our goals in 2020. I'd now like to turn the call over for Q&A.
  • Operator:
    Thank you. Our first question comes from Louise Chen with Cantor. You may proceed with your question.
  • Louise Chen:
    Hi, thanks for taking my questions, and congratulations on the quarter. So, my two questions for you are first on the ANNOVERA stocking, is there any way to quantify that and think about the drawdown? I know you gave some metrics in the call, but just any more color would be very helpful there. And then in terms of the $90 million to $110 million sales guidance for 2020, is there any way to break that out between the three or four products that you have? Thank you.
  • Dawn Halkuff:
    Hi, Louise, it's Dawn. I'll take the first question. So, our goal was to sell 2,800 units for ANNOVERA. And so, we actually ended up selling more because the demand for our customer, given the uniqueness of the product, as well, launch mode was stronger, and really which was warranted because what we're seeing in the first five weeks of 2020 is that we sold over 1,000 prescriptions. So, we're seeing that ramp coming.
  • Robert Finizio:
    And the full launch will be on March 1, and in Q4, we had about 18% of our sales force promoting with some managers in the BIO-IGNITE team of about 12. So, it looks good going forward. As far as the guidance of $90 million to $110 million, no, we did not break it out by product purposely. We did talk a little bit about waiting. ANNOVERA and IMVEXXY will be heavily weighted, more heavily weighted, majority here, and then obviously it's more heavily weighted to the back half of the year. But our goal this year is to put the revenue up, get that done. That's our only goal, and we'll get that done. And not to worry about where it's coming from. Right? We also did, by the way, mention that prenatal, as we expect, to continue to the client. Just to be clear.
  • Louise Chen:
    All right. Thank you.
  • Robert Finizio:
    Thanks, Louise.
  • Operator:
    Thank you. Our next question comes from Dana Flanders with Guggenheim. You may proceed with your question.
  • Dana Flanders:
    Hi, thank you very much for the questions. My first one is just on how you expect net price to trend throughout 2020 for IMVEXXY and BIJUVA. Maybe you can make some comments on that. I think you had previously had a kind of 3Q target for IMVEXXY. So, just wondering if that still holds. And then my second one, just a bigger picture question on guidance. I know you've taken a conservative stance over the past couple of quarters. So, can you just help us understand some of the bigger pushes and pulls to revenue next year, and how you've accounted for them in guidance? I know that you're still waiting for more Part D coverage on IMVEXXY, and how you expect BIO-IGNITE to ramp, and how you factored in some of those things. And I know there are others that I'm missing, but maybe just some comments on that as well. Thank you.
  • Robert Finizio:
    Sure. So, with gross to nets, Dana, so with IMVEXXY, I guess the question you're really asking - I think, and if this is not the right answer, certainly tell me. We felt that we can get to that $100, $607, a little bit above $100 number this year for IMVEXXY. So yes, we think it's absolutely attainable. Obviously, the more payers we get on, the faster we get there. And then it is optimizing or normalizing your net revenue for that product, and the three levers you have there is one, copay optimization with the copay card; number two, your distribution costs, getting that from 12% down. We believe we can get down a couple percent this year. 3% to 5% is our goal. And then the last piece is the starter versus maintenance mix, right. That brings the ASP up, is a direct correlation to our nets there to scratch right to the bottom line of the net of the product. So yes, we still think that is our goal for the year. Depending on how we want to pace the scaling of the launch, because when we pull those levers, that obviously has an effect in other areas, but we still think that's attainable. As far as BIJUVA goes, I know we came in $6, $10 above what we thought we would on the nets for the quarter, and I would extrapolate this to ANNOVERA as well. I mean, I know the nets are higher there, $13.50. So look, IMVEXXY having an over-weighted Part D population within our user base, prescribe base, prescriber base, and patient base, and the Part D long process with payers, has been a drawn out sort of effect, right, with the pricing. And I hope you're seeing with BIJUVA and ANNOVERA that the nets have been higher than we had planned, faster. And there is a lot of noise though, in the first couple of quarters of a launch for those two. To give you a recap, BIJUVA has been on the market for six, seven months. Still some noise for the next quarter, maybe two. And then ANNOVERA obviously is in the fourth month of its not even fully launched process yet. So there is some noise there. A lot of new distributors, new partners, online partners that are taken this out to market, that will all clear up in the next quarter or two, and I think we'll get in at Q3, Q4, at the end of this year to a stride where we'll be able to give a very clear guidance on that. But I would expect from today forward of the expectations we set on all three of these drugs to hold. Does that answer your question?
  • Dana Flanders:
    Yes, it does. And then just my second one on how you're viewing kind of the pushes and pulls to revenue guidance, and how you've accounted for them in guidance this year.
  • Robert Finizio:
    Yes, so I'll give a piece of that, and then turn it over to Dawn. So, the Part D piece of that, which I think you touched on, we calculated - again, there's three or four large Part D payers that have not made a decision for the 2020 year. We planned on, in the guidance, of getting at least one of those. We do think we'll get two or three of those, as we said, going forward, once they do make a decision. So that's most, not all. So, it is calculated with only a single Part D payer in there. Dawn?
  • Dawn Halkuff:
    Sure. And since Rob's covered the payer piece, what I'll cover is sort of a major shift that we have going on, which is the reorganization of the sales force, which we will complete on March 1. Once that's behind us, we would expect to see sort of the increase to start as we get focused on each of the brands for the sales force. In addition, what you're going to see in March is increased spend with IMVEXXY and ANNOVERA on consumer, which will also increase the trajectory of those brands.
  • Dana Flanders:
    Thank you.
  • Robert Finizio:
    Thanks, Dana.
  • Operator:
    Thank you. Our next question comes from Annabel Samimy with Stifel. You may proceed with your question.
  • Annabel Samimy:
    Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. I have several, actually. Just going back to ANNOVERA and I guess the buy-in from some of your partners. I guess, to what extent are these large contracts that could result in some wonky trends for the first quarter is the demand there sufficient there to allow that product to continue to grow on a steady trajectory every quarter of this year, as opposed to IMVEXXY where that might be some high-deductible plan issues? And to what extent are these new sources of distribution that you have reported by trackers like PillPack, and Push, and those? How can we get a sense of what the true demand is? And then for IMVEXXY, I'm supposing that your guidance is based on your reach in the 80,000 prescriptions per month by the end of the year. I guess based on some of the Rx trends we saw, I guess the first month or first weeks of the year, how do you get there? How do you feel confident that you're going to get there? And then finally, just as you talk about the expenses going forward, obviously you're going into a full launch of ANNOVERA. You're going to have heavy marketing expenses for IMVEXXY. How much are we going to see an increase in OpEx, and how much of your declines in R&D and the clinical side offset by those increases or vice versa? Thanks.
  • Robert Finizio:
    So, Annabel, I'll take a couple and give a bunch of these to Dawn as well. So what we saw in the first five weeks of this year was more than we saw for ANNOVERA from a demand standpoint for the entire quarter of Q4. So, there is definitely some good solid demand pulling through, and it's not even fully launched yet in that market really at all. It's just a limited sales force effort out there. So, we expect that to continue to grow. As far as the question of what to expect going into new markets we don't go into with the menopause franchise or working with partners online, which you can't really do with the menopause franchise either, like you talked about, we can't - that certainly will be a synergistic additional revenue center outside of our own direct efforts. But we - it's early. It takes these online partners, which we currently have three, expect us to increase that as we go forward, and expect a quarter or two for them to get up to speed. So again, that's Q3, Q4. I think we'll be able to lay down some clarity. There is a lot of noise in the system with the new product that's going out to new markets with new distributors, but we feel confident that the net margins and adjudication rate will stay really high, and that is only going to grow. In our own efforts, we've seen more demand in the first five weeks of Q1 then we saw for ANNOVERA in all of Q4. Dawn, do you have anything you want to add?
  • Dawn Halkuff:
    No, except for the fact that we're also launching the full sales force with the new campaigns and consumer marks, so that demand should continue. I think the next question was on IMVEXXY and our confidence to - why we feel confident in hitting the 80,000 month by year-end. So certainly, we did see that slow down, right? That slowdown was due to the copay program change, as well as some of this reorganization that we're talking about, which causes some disruption. But again, as of March 1, that is behind us. The marketing plans kick in, and we're also going to be focusing on those doctors that I explained that are already writing some IMVEXXY, and we're going to be able to have that heavier focus across both sales forces. That should deliver that trajectory.
  • Annabel Samimy:
    Okay. And then maybe…
  • Robert Finizio:
    So we see the growth coming right back. Yes, sure. So we did, as we talked about, a good amount of cost containment, pipeline pauses, reorganizing the entire - throughout all of '19, reorganizing this entire organization from a clinically focused place to a commercially centered pharmaceutical sales and marketing company. So, we've been able to cut some cost there. We think that should leave us in very good shape with the cost containment measures to fund the marketing plans. So, we'll continue to evaluate that going forward. But as of right now, we think we're in pretty good shape.
  • Annabel Samimy:
    Great, thanks.
  • Robert Finizio:
    Thank you.
  • Operator:
    Thank you. Our next question comes from Larry Solow with CJS. You may proceed with your question.
  • Larry Solow:
    Great, thank you very much. Just a few follow-ups. Most of my questions were answered. On the operating expense side, just a quick follow-up on that. So, it sounds like SG&A will trend somewhat upward with the S going higher and the G&A going lower. But I guess that's a little bit more than that. Is that fair to say?
  • Dan Cartwright:
    Yes, this is Dan. I think that's a fair assessment.
  • Larry Solow:
    Okay. And then a question for Rob and maybe just a little high-level. It seems like to me a little bit more of a pivot towards ANNOVERA, a little more focus on that. Do you worry about or do you run the risk of sales guys, gals, having just more incentive to sell the larger product than maybe the IMVEXXY, and later on, BIJUVA, is going to get lost in the shuffle there a little bit?
  • Robert Finizio:
    Yes, that's a great point because there's not a lot of companies that do multiple launches at once, right? And I'll have Dawn put a couple of cents in here as well because she's really the expert here. But if you look at the team we brought on, specifically, Chris Gish, he is a master. Very successful, if you look up his background there, at launching multiple drugs at once. And the way Dawn and team have set up incentive comp, certainly there's going be first and second position. And that's the reason we can't have all of the reps pushing all three drugs at once. We want organized, focused execution that's absolutely flawless, and you have the team to do it. So, as we said earlier, the menopause sales force will really be pushing BIJUVA and laying the foundation for when that second dose come through in a future year when we do a full launch of that to have everything in place to get rapid uptake. As far as the rest of the organization, the other 150 reps, it's ANNOVERA, first IMVEXXY second, and the beauty of that is when IMVEXXY does finally slow down, it's still a menopause message. You could swap BIJUVA right it and go naturally with it. Dawn?
  • Dawn Halkuff:
    Yes, just to add to that, Larry, so I think with the way we've designed the sales force, it's going to be incredibly effective. So you're right, people are going to be excited about selling ANNOVERA. We know that. It's fun product to sell. Doctors are really interested. But the reality is every sales representative will be selling IMVEXXY, and each sales representative out there already has a base of business for that product. So, we're trying to do something different there, which is just get that regular prescribing going. And then BIJUVA, we needed to give it a focus in the right places, and for those folks, those 30 to 40 Rob just mentioned, they're going to have it in the first position. So, I feel really good about the fact that every product, as I said at the beginning, is going to get its spotlight, and we've done it in a way that I think is also incredibly cost effective.
  • Larry Solow:
    Okay. And then on the BIJUVA itself, it seems to me like a little bit pushed out of expectations more into '21. What are some of the challenges? Is it more of a missionary sale there? And will the lower dose be a big driver for growth in '21?
  • Robert Finizio:
    It's really focused on EBITDA breakeven. Right? So in ANNOVERA has by far the highest nets, and then from a scale standpoint, a presence. We are in a place where we have great brand recognition with IMVEXXY with just a sales effort. Very little marketing spend there so far. So getting - because look, we don't want any more dilution, and we're not cash flow positive company yet. So, to get those two going, the marketing dollars will go away further with brand recognition with IMVEXXY than BIJUVA. And then obviously the nets are so much higher with lack of copay for most women with ANNOVERA. That's just the quickest way to profitability. It's only about that. Now, if those things change. We don't expect them to, but if they do, we instantly could swap out IMVEXXY for BIJUVA and get that menopause message down to hot flashes versus DBA. So, it's really well aligned. What Dawn and team did here is great.
  • Larry Solow:
    Okay, and just this last question, just a confirmatory one. On the IMVEXXY on the Part D, so you're at just below 30% today, and you say 70% by year-end. Does that - so by year-end '20, is that for coverage in '21? In other words, if you've got - you have several ones that haven't decided on yet. The bridge from 30% to 70%, is that all based on what we'd hear from in the next few weeks, or is that also including what you'll hear from at the end of the year for '21?
  • Robert Finizio:
    Got you. So, you mean the 30% - so within .
  • Larry Solow:
    In other words, going from 30% to 70%, right. Right. What's that bridge? Because I assume most providers will make decisions for '20 within the next few weeks, right.
  • Robert Finizio:
    Right. I just want to be clear that the 30% you're talking about is the Part D coverage.
  • Larry Solow:
    Correct, correct.
  • Robert Finizio:
    Correct? Okay, because commercial is 70% and then Part D is 30%. We have all of the top 10 for commercial, right? On the Part D side, to your point, we have three of the top seven, and four have not made decisions for this class. Yes. So, let me walk you through those. So, each one is pretty clear, right? You have Humana that's going through the process. They just have not completed their process yet. It's a good portion of that market. It's equal to United. It's about 20%. Then you go down to WellCare. WellCare is being acquired as part of the divestiture with the CVS acquisition. That's going to Centene. Due to that, it's frozen. From what I understand, that's due to close late this month, early next month, and we think they'll be moving that forward quickly there. And then ESI. ESI is also doing some PBM alignment with other PBMs and taking over contracts for other ones. And we believe their decision will be by April 1, so it will be this quarter. And then CVS. We just don't know with CVS, right? I'll give you a lot of color and clarity on the other three. CVS will make their mind up when they want. So, we expect decisions of at least two of those three here, all of which are very large, very large this quarter. Could one drag into April? Yes, but we don't expect it. And then CVS, we just don't have any time table on.
  • Larry Solow:
    Got it. So, that target coverage then, number of 70%, that includes you getting some of these larger ones, and then that's actually more like a mid-year type of thing then, right? That's in theory.
  • Robert Finizio:
    Yes, so if we got three of those four, we would be well above 70%. I believe 80%. I don't have the numbers in front of me. I'm going from memory, but I believe it would be about 80% of Part D. By the way, if we just got two, it actually would probably be the best covered or very close to the best covered product in the class. You just had two of the four.
  • Larry Solow:
    Great. Yes, thanks. I appreciate that. Well said. Thank you.
  • Robert Finizio:
    Just to be clear, Larry. We're done on the commercial side. So, we got the last two. Like we said, we have all 10 of the top 10, plus a number of regional players behind it.
  • Larry Solow:
    Got it. Great, thanks so much.
  • Robert Finizio:
    You got it. Thanks.
  • Operator:
    Thank you. Our next question comes from Ken Cacciatore with Cowen & Company. You may proceed with your question.
  • Ken Cacciatore:
    Yes, good morning, and congratulations on all the progress, guys. Question on ANNOVERA first. Just wondering what percentage of patients do you think will eventually be using this product for continuous use? And you talked about it briefly, Dawn, but maybe expand on the patient and the clinician wanting to have a continuous use, kind of an IUD substitution. And with that, now that you've had a little bit of experience, as we try to do some out-year modeling, can you give us a sense of maybe where peak sales could go for this product and why? And then also, let us know with the IP situation. Next question is on - you've been asked a couple of times on costs. Just wondering, and I'll ask more specifically, is Q4 a good run rate to use? I just want to drill down so we can have our models right. And then lastly on the covenants, just wondering if you could remind us the cash minimums you need to maintain and some of the maybe revenue covenants as well. Thanks a lot.
  • Robert Finizio:
    Sure. Again, I'm going to take a piece of this, then hand it to Dawn, and then give it to Dan for the cash piece. And the reason taking it is it's a sensitive area on the off-label use. Obviously, we as a company will never promote off-label. Continuous use is off-label for ANNOVERA, and we don't allow our employees or anyone associated with company to ever promote off-label. The percent of patients using it continuously I don't know for our products yet. But what I can tell you is for other birth control products, there is a ton of off-label use. With ours, it's just way too early to know, and it's something - to be honest with you, we don't ask because we don't want to know. We don't want to go down that road, right? I wish I could give you more information there, but up that's kind of the - a lot of legalities right there. I'll turn it over to Dawn.
  • Dawn Halkuff:
    And Ken, maybe I'll bridge too. The language we use is long-lasting, right? Because the product does work in the patient's control for a year, and that's really where the interest comes. So, it's not necessarily on continuous use, right? That's up to the doctor and how they prescribed for their patients. What it is that it's the first long-lasting option that doesn't require procedure, and there's a lot of interest in that because there are so many patient types that a doctor can see this substituted for. And so, what you hear from physicians that are - hey, there are a number of patients that I know want this type of long-lasting option because they travel, or they don't have a traditional schedule, or the pill's not working for them anymore. And because of that, they know that this is an option that's great for them. The other piece is that there are many people that just are in situations, like overseas with the military, and that's why we've gotten on formulary so quickly that this is good for as well. And so, what we're seeing is a lot of interest based on that long-lasting option.
  • Robert Finizio:
    So again, to peak, as you know, look we - this product isn't for everybody, right? But the market is so big. NuvaRing has got 6% market share with about 900,000 patients annually using it. IUDs is a growing segment significantly. And then simple things like orals for people that are in the military, that works really easy right now. ANNOVERA is such a better fit for young college kids, universities. So what we see is getting a cross section of all that. At $13.15 nets, if we just got 1% to 2% of the market, that would be a $500 million to $1 billion in net revenue to the company. So it's exciting. It's large. Do I think this drug and this team can get to 1%? Absolutely. Do I think they can get to 2%? I think we got a good shot at it, right? So, I think the potential here is significant, which kind of goes to your next question on IP. So, so you know, the NCE status of this goes out for, I believe, another 3.5, four years, so we've got good protection in the near term. We do have a number of patents under developments, which we believe will extend that out a good amount of time. It's a very high priority for our IP team. So, we feel very confident there. But in addition to that, if you look at the generic pathway and what it took to get a NuvaRing product approved that was off-patent for a long, long time, right, just to get a three-week PK profile done took a long, long time and a lot of resources. As you know, there were 10 companies chasing it to maybe two or three might come to market. So, if you take that and put it into a 13-cycle or a one-year trial, where you're going to be 1,000 patients on it, washout, and then 1,000 patients to go into a potential generic, and try to match those 13 cycles of PK, I think that is a very large, very, very long, and very expensive undertaking. So, there's going to have to be a lot of revenue in place for some to come after it, right? Take NuvaRing's basically experience and multiply it times 13 cycles, right? Three weeks to 52 weeks. So anyway, so that's the take there. We feel good, really good, about our exclusivity position here and that we should be in great shape, given all the hurdles in place to try to get to a generic position on ANNOVERA.
  • Dan Cartwright:
    And Ken, this is Dan Cartwright. How you doing? You had asked about fourth quarter expenses compared to our expenses going forward. As Rob discussed, we went through an extensive process this year and reworked, what we were going to put together for 2020 as far as expenses, and we were able to reallocate some resources from things like admin and move it over to March sales and marketing. And I think with that put in place, we're going to go into '20 looking at expenses maybe being a little higher than they were in the fourth quarter but not significantly higher, plus we'll have the additional revenue run that we'll see from what we threw out there as our 90 to 110 goal for 2020 as far as revenue. As far as your other question on cash requirement, our cash requirement since we drew down the other $50 million from TSPP is now at $60 million for loan covenants. And then, the last thing you asked about was - well, you asked specifically about the loan covenant; was there something else you were looking for Ken?
  • Ken Cacciatore:
    Yes, just on revenue covenants; if there is any?
  • Dan Cartwright:
    Yes, we do have revenue covenants, they are not disclosed out there but when we put together our goals and our revenue for 2020, those were certainly considered when we came up with our 90 to 110 range; we thought we had those more than covered with that range in revenue.
  • Ken Cacciatore:
    Great, thanks so much.
  • Dan Cartwright:
    You bet.
  • Operator:
    Thank you. Our next question comes from Douglas Tsao with HC Wainwright. You may proceed with your question.
  • Douglas Tsao:
    Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Rob, just in terms of IMVEXXY and Medicare Part D coverage decisions that seem to be taking a little longer than normal; I think you indicated or you've indicated that it's a sort of - they're making decisions on the class. Do you have an understanding - a sense of what it is about the class that - and why it is so protracted?
  • Robert Finizio:
    Yes, it's just a low spend, not a material impact on their P&L, either way; so it's just not a high priority, unfortunately. It is for us, obviously. But realize, you know, the guidance we put out there; we'll get there without any additional decisions, right. We've put in one additional Part D player, I think we can get there without any. So, I think we'll be in great shape either way. And as I said earlier, they will make decisions, eventually; we are bullish that two or three will make a decision this quarter, we feel good about it and we should do well, we should do well. But to answer your question, Doug; it's just a matter of the spend, it's not material on their P&Ls.
  • Douglas Tsao:
    Okay. And then, just in terms of the sales force realignment; was this really something done proactively or was this something that you sort of sensed from - sort of have field force with feedback from the sales force over the last several months promoting that portfolio?
  • Dawn Halkuff:
    Yes, I know. Thanks for the question, Doug. So, it certainly was proactive given that we were launching three drugs at once, we've recognized that in order to give each of the brands what is needed; that we needed to split in this way. And given we could figure out a solution that gave us the reach and depth that we needed; we've put it into place and we did it in line with the full launch of ANNOVERA, so it would be at the right time.
  • Douglas Tsao:
    Okay, great. Thank you so much.
  • Operator:
    Thank you. And our last question comes . You may proceed with your question.
  • Unidentified Analyst:
    Thank you very much for taking my question and congratulations. Few key questions from my side. For ANNOVERA, based on early patient data, do you have any real-time data on what population uses, what age group uses the product and you can move more targeted for the full launch?
  • Robert Finizio:
    For ANNOVERA?
  • Unidentified Analyst:
    Yes.
  • Robert Finizio:
    So, I told you . Again, it's really, really early but we have word of mouth, so to speak. And remember, the copay cards aren't used here; so for the most parts very, very low usage. So we don't get that real-time patient data when they opt in like with the menopausal products. We could see the menopausal products; who, what, where and when, right, real-time since 24-hours of a strip being filled. Because there is practically no copay with this product, with a lot of - and say most payers, we don't - you see the copay cards being used, so we don't have that data yet. But what I can tell you is the Population Council did a full 908 women study, I believe, for a full year before they even did their Phase III clinical studies; that's peer-reviewed and published, that can give you a really good demographic slice at different age points and what they liked and didn't like about the product, it's a really well done study, and most contraceptive products don't get the opportunity to come to market with that much robust data which Dawn is leveraging.
  • Dawn Halkuff:
    Yes. And I think the only thing to add there is, and Robert right; it would be qualitative at this point, not quantitative, we're just getting started. But don't necessarily think about it in terms of age demographic, think about it in terms of life situation, and that's where the doctors grab on, and that's what we know about women, if they're in a particular situation they don't want a procedure, this is a perfect product for them.
  • Unidentified Analyst:
    I think you might…
  • Robert Finizio:
    But to your point…
  • Unidentified Analyst:
    Yes, Robert.
  • Robert Finizio:
    I'm just going to say, now it's worked, it's data we want. So we'll - more to come here. All right?
  • Unidentified Analyst:
    Okay, sounds good. And for IMVEXXY and BIJUVA, for IMVEXXY we don't expect any additional coverage or market driver in addition to Part D? And when it comes to BIJUVA what would be the expectations with the BIO-IGNITE program being active on the product, I know it's not the major revenue driver for this year?
  • Robert Finizio:
    Yes. For that sales team it will be the main revenue driver and IMVEXXY will be number two. But if you look, there is a slide, a payer slide; I don't have it in front of me but what we did to answer your question is, we do expect to get additional payer coverage for all of the products this year. I mean, the idea is that, look, we are above 70% for our two main product; so we're ready to go, we have all we need to meet our numbers this year, right but we do expect to continue to grow that coverage for all three products. Moving forward, the only one we don't expect to expand on the coverage side is pre-natals.
  • Dawn Halkuff:
    Yes. And I think your other question, so for IMVEXXY, we've get the drivers would obviously be the demand we create in terms of consumer marketing that we're putting out there. As far as BIJUVA, we think that with the menopause special sales force that were - well positioned to grow this product appropriately, and BIO-IGNITE will also continue to grow; so that team is going to be working really closely together, we still see it to be a driver but we're putting the resources in the appropriate places.
  • Unidentified Analyst:
    Okay, thank you very much. Thanks for taking my question.
  • Robert Finizio:
    You got it. Thank you.
  • Operator:
    Thank you. And I would now like to turn the call back over to Rob Finizio, CEO, for any further remarks.
  • Robert Finizio:
    Great. I want to thank everybody for a great quarter and a great year ends, and look forward to speaking with you next quarter. Thank you.
  • Operator:
    Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.