Paramount Global
Q1 2012 Earnings Call Transcript

Published: 2 May 2012

[Operator:]

Good day, everyone, and welcome to the CBS Corporation First Quarter 2012 Earnings Release Teleconference. Today's call is being recorded. At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to the Executive Vice President of Investor Relations, Mr. Adam Townsend. Please go ahead.

[Adam Townsend:]

Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to our first quarter 2012 earnings call. Joining me for today's discussion are Sumner Redstone, our Executive Chairman; Leslie Moonves, President and CEO; and Joe Ianniello, Executive Vice President and CFO. Sumner will have opening remarks, and we'll turn the call over to Les and Joe, who will discuss the strategic and financial results. We will then open the call up to questions. Please note that statements on this conference call relating to matters which are not historical facts are forward-looking statements, which involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ. Risks and uncertainties are disclosed in CBS Corporation's news releases and Securities filings. A webcast of this call and the earnings release related to today's presentation can be found on the Investors section of our website at cbscorporation.com. Reconciliations for non-GAAP financial information related to this call can be found in our earnings release or also on our website. And with that, it's now my pleasure to turn the call over to Sumner.

[Sumner M. Redstone:]

Thank you, Adam. Good afternoon, everyone. I thank you all for being with us today. CBS' performance this quarter was nothing short of amazing. The numbers prove we are operating for our vision of incredible strength, and the momentum keeps building and building and building. We have world-class content that people want to see, and we are delivering it in a way they want to see it. And because our content is so good, it commands a premium on every platform. Our content is the best, actually. As we look ahead, I know we have the right strategy in place to propel CBS even beyond where it is today. I know this because we have a management team that proves me right quarter after quarter after quarter. None of this immense success would be possible without this management team. As you know, the executive in charge of this great management team is Les Moonves, CBS' President and CEO. So it gives me tremendous pleasure to turn this call over to my good friend, Les, a man I figuratively and appropriately call a genius, so he can tell you more about our terrific results. Les, the ball is in your court.

[Leslie Moonves:]

Thank you very much, Sumner. Good afternoon, everybody, and thank you for joining us once again. We told you during our last call that this quarter would be a terrific start to the year. And as you can see from the numbers today, it is. In fact, since we became a stand-alone corporation, we posted record first quarter results in 5 key financial metrics

[Joseph R. Ianniello:]

Thanks, Les, and good afternoon, everyone. Today, I'm going to provide some more details about our first quarter results and then, I'll discuss what we see for the rest of 2012 and touch on 2013. Let's start with the first quarter results. As you've seen and heard today, we are committed to growing our non-advertising revenue streams and maximizing the monetization of our content. This shift towards more stable, high-margin revenue drove our earnings growth this quarter, and we expect it will continue to enhance our earnings well into the future. As Les said, revenue of $3.9 billion was up 12% for the quarter. The growth was broad-based with increases in all 3 major revenue streams. Content licensing and distribution grew 39% because of the incremental revenue from our streaming deals, as well as the ongoing strength of our international and domestic syndication sales. Affiliate and subscription fees were up 7%, driven by growth from our Cable Networks as well as higher retrans fees. In total, advertising was up 5%, which I'll talk more about later. OIBDA of $773 million rose 34%, as nearly 50% of our revenue growth flowed through to OIBDA, increasing our OIBDA margin from 16% last year to 20% this year, which is double what it was just 2 years ago. Operating income of $642 million was up 47%, and our operating income margin also expanded 400 basis points. These results also benefited from our continued focus on cost controls. EPS came in at $0.54, up 86%. This includes a noncash, after-tax impairment charge of $14 million for the sale of our West Palm Beach radio cluster, which we announced last month and is consistent with our plan to focus on large markets. EPS also includes a $16 million after-tax gain on the early extinguishment of debt. These 2 items offset one another, having no net impact to our reported EPS. Let's turn to our operating segments. Entertainment revenue for the quarter was $2.3 billion, up 16%. The growth in this segment was once again driven by strong content monetization from licensing revenue and higher ad sales for our premium programming. Network advertising was up 8%. The underlying ad sales growth was up 4%, with the other 4% driven by the timing of the Final Four. OIBDA of $411 million for this segment was up 53%, and the OIBDA margin expanded 5 percentage points to 18%. Cable Networks' revenue came in at $452 million to up 15%. This segment is also benefiting from our new digital streaming opportunities and international syndication deals from our owned content. In addition, we continue to generate strong subscriber growth with Showtime subs now solidly over 21 million. Cable OIBDA of $209 million increased 37%, driven by the revenue increase and the timing of programming expenses. In Publishing, revenue of $176 million for the quarter was up 14%. As Les said, e-books continues to be a bigger portion of our business and are contributing to our higher OIBDA, as well as expanding our publishing margins. Local Broadcasting revenue was steady at $622 million compared to last year. TV station revenue was up 2% while radio revenue was down 2%. During the quarter, local sales outpaced national sales at our stations. This development underscores the strength of the rebound of small businesses. This is an encouraging sign because the improvement of local businesses can be a leading indicator of a sustained economic recovery. Also, as you know, political will be a significant contributor in the back half of 2012. OIBDA before the radio sale impairment charge I just discussed was $171 million, up 1%. Outdoor revenue of $416 million for the quarter was also up 1%, and on a constant dollar basis, it grew 2%. The Americas continue to lead the way, up 4% over last year, including a 6% increase in the U.S., our largest market. Outdoor OIBDA of $53 million was up 8%. Turning to cash flow and our balance sheet. We told you on our last call that we would look to refinance debt to reduce our interest costs to be more in line with current market rates. During the first quarter, we issued a new $700 million 10-year note with a coupon of 3.375%, the lowest rate ever issued for a similar-rated media company. We took those proceeds and paid off $700 million worth of notes that had a coupon of 6.75%. The result is a savings of $22 million a year in annual interest expense, a benefit you will begin to see in Q2. In the months ahead, we will look to opportunistically tap the credit markets again for further savings on interest costs. For the quarter, free cash flow came in at $607 million, and we ended the quarter with $794 million of cash on hand. Also, during the first quarter, we spent $269 million to retire 9 million shares of our stock at an average price of $30 per share. We have $1.7 billion remaining on our current stock buyback program, and we're committed to aggressively returning this capital to our shareholders and completing this program by the end of next year. Now let me give you a few observations of what we see ahead. Local Broadcasting is pacing to be up low-single digits for Q2, again, with political ramping up in the second half of the year. Our Outdoor group is also pacing to be up low-single digits in the second quarter as we head into the London Olympics, which will largely benefit Q3. Also, we are heading into a healthy upfront marketplace in a couple of weeks. During our call in February, we talked about 3 financial drivers to our EPS. I already brought you up-to-date on 2 of them, our share buyback program and our refinancing efforts. The third, depreciation and amortization expense is beginning to trend down with our CapEx spending, and that should continue well beyond 2012. For the quarter, depreciation and amortization expense was lower by $8 million compared to last year. Now I'd like to talk briefly about our visibility into 2013. Here is what we know so far. On the advertising side, the strength of this year's upfront will set the stage for 2013. And given our competitive position, we're poised to do very well. In addition, we have Super Bowl XLVII in Q1 of next year, which will also benefit our local stations. Couple this with it being our turn to broadcast the AFC Championship game in prime time and the Grammys coming this Sunday after the Super Bowl, and you're looking at 3 major prime time events within a 4-week time period in Q1. Plus, our non-advertising revenue streams are expected to increase in 2013. We have the first of 2 options to extend one of our major streaming arrangements, as well as the benefit of new retrans deals that will take effect next year. To top it off, we will have 176 episodes of premium content from 4 seasons of 2 of our hit shows

[Operator:]

[Operator Instructions] And we'll go first to Ben Swinburne with Morgan Stanley.

[Benjamin Swinburne:]

Les, can I ask you first about the ad market? I think in the fourth quarter, you guys were sort of flattish at the network on ad sales. And if you strip out the NCAA timing, I think you said 4% growth in March. And you had taken some -- a little bit of criticism around -- about the upfront last year and sort of waiting for -- some of the May goods to kick in. I'm wondering if you could just talk about what happened this quarter? Why we saw the acceleration? Did you sort of better monetized your ratings because there's some issues with your competitors? Is this a market improvement? Anything around those -- scatter premiums, any of those details would be very helpful.

[Leslie Moonves:]

I think it's a little bit of everything. Obviously, our ratings have been fairly significant and fairly dominant. In addition, the marketplace clearly has gotten a lot stronger in the first quarter than it was in the fourth quarter. And as we head towards the upfront and scatter becomes a little bit less important, although scatter still double-digits, I think everybody is preparing right now for the upfront. And we're airing a terrific position because the advertisers have come back in a very strong way. We're getting a lot of early indications. As I said, our schedule is fairly secure and that we've announced 18 pickups, and there's another one that's almost done, which would be a 19th. And so the advertisers -- it's a lot better to plan for a schedule on CBS than anybody else. And we're feeling a lot of strength in the ad market.

[Benjamin Swinburne:]

Great. And just to follow up on the international front. Maybe, Joe, you mentioned international syndication a couple of times. This is a big topic at your investor day, I think, it was a year ago plus. Can you just give us a sense for what kind of price increases you typically see and you expect to see this year? There's obviously a lot of investor concern about Europe that you could help us think about how important Europe is versus other regions in the international syndication business. Just to help us think about the drivers in the summer and as we move into the fall. That will be helpful.

[Joseph R. Ianniello:]

Sure. Look, I think it's the demand, right, is what's really driving it. It's in obviously more countries as well as the more established countries, it's more competitive. So clearly, that's allowing us to have pricing leverage in those negotiations. So -- but I think the strong demand is really what's driving that, Ben.

[Operator:]

We'll go next to Jessica Reif-Cohen with Bank of America Merrill Lynch.

[Jessica Reif Cohen:]

Two questions, if I can? Given the success you've had or enjoying right now in content, do you have any thoughts about or plans of -- for producing for other entities outside of CBS? Basically, do you have capacity to scale up and would you?

[Leslie Moonves:]

Yes. We, right now, are producing one show for USA. We have another pilot right now in the works for Turner. And CBS also has a pilot for Showtime, which is internal. So with the pipeline into CBS and into CW, we are now expanding, and we are looking to do that. And we're in pretty good shape, and we do have the capacity to do that.

[Jessica Reif Cohen:]

And then just a question on Showtime. Maybe the strength -- the growth in subs has been really surprising given everybody else's performance. Where do you think penetration can wind up? Or how much more growth do you think is ahead?

[Leslie Moonves:]

Well, HBO is 27 and 28, and they were 27 about 5 years ago when we were 13. So we've added 8 million and there's no reason we can't add some more going forward. I mean, clearly, people are responding to our original programming in a big, big way, and it's not surprising to us that our subscribers are increasing.

[Operator:]

We'll go next to Michael Morris with Davenport.

[Michael C. Morris:]

A couple of questions on cable and then a follow-up. The payments for the Showtime content, digital was pretty strong this quarter. Can you talk a little bit about what the pipeline looks like there? It feels a little less transparent or maybe a little less talked about than the CBS pipeline. So as first, any insight on the Showtime content pipeline? And then also, I mean it's almost 100% margin revenue growth at the cable segment this quarter, can you talk about the cost side? I think you mentioned timing of programming costs and maybe you can give us an insight on that for the rest of the year? Then I have a follow-up.

[Joseph R. Ianniello:]

Sure, Michael, it's Joe. Look, I think part of the strategy with Showtime was only more of the original series, and you're seeing the benefit of that. Clearly, we're selling those domestically as part of our new streaming deals as well as internationally. House of Lies, again, is another good example of one that's kind of coming that, again, we owned. So again, it's just another example of these ancillary revenue streams that as you're seeing, are pretty significant, very high margin contributing to that strategic action. So, yes, we definitely -- the margin of Showtime from the first quarter grew significantly. There will be timing of the way we expense things in terms of premieres, et cetera. So we will have a little bit of that. But again, it's a very strong flow-through of the revenue that's really driving it. And I think, as Les said in his remarks, about half of the 15% growth came from these digital opportunities, but the other half is coming from our base business.

[Michael C. Morris:]

Was the first quarter growth in the streaming, is that your biggest quarter for the year? Or do you have any sense of what the pipeline looks like for the balance of the year?

[Joseph R. Ianniello:]

Yes. Well, look, we're having these conversations all the time with people who want to get into the business and extend their deals. So from -- yes, from the deals that we have currently under contract, yes. But again, like I said, that's changing all the time. And there's a lot of interest and demand for more and more of these deals. So we're constantly talking to people. So I don't know...

[Leslie Moonves:]

Yes, I don't know if we said that this was the highest quarter for that. We really don't know. The other quarters are looking potentially even bigger than that.

[Michael C. Morris:]

Okay, great. And then, over in the affiliate and subscription fee side, the growth was $29 million this quarter year-over-year. Can you help us break that down a little bit? Because it seems like it's a little lower than I would've expected given the retransmission outlook that you've given and sort of that split of 50-50 in terms of the revenue growth at cable. What -- can you give us more details and maybe help us understand how that will trend this year?

[Joseph R. Ianniello:]

Yes, if you're just looking about -- again, if you look at the segments, Michael, just remember when we record retrans half in local broadcasting and half in entertainment. So you just have to be careful when you're looking at the actual dollar amounts. I think, again, as we've said, retrans, it's $250 million this year. We're clearly on track for that. We obviously see some upside to that, and we're renegotiating all these deals all the time. So we continue to think it's going to be a strong part of our earnings growth.

[Leslie Moonves:]

And a lot of the affiliate deals, as we said, weren't up, aren't up until next year. So you'll see a rapid rise there in the 50-50 types of deals with our affiliates.

[Operator:]

We'll go next to Laura Martin with Needham.

[Laura Martin:]

Just following up on Jessica's question about producing for other platforms. A lot of us were at the digital upfront last week, and there's a lot of really interesting digital original programming coming onto the Internet. I'm just wondering, Les, is this something you guys are doing now or is it something you guys might expand into? I know Warner's got 20 new shows on the air, and AOL is paying them for their pilots for a 60-day exclusive. Is that something that you guys are pursuing now or might going forward?

[Leslie Moonves:]

Yes. I mean, we have a lot of premium content that is not scripted fictional content. We do have some laboratories, and we are experimenting with that to make it a good financial model. Obviously, along with Warner Bros, I think we're at the top of the line in terms of producing great fictional content. And it's something we want to do more down the line. We haven't yet see the model that makes it financially worthwhile to do it in a big way, but we do have a lot of smaller experiments going on.

[Laura Martin:]

Okay. And then silos on local, I thought that interest -- it was a great point you made about local being more robust than national. What are the major silos that are driving the strong local ad growth in the first quarter?

[Joseph R. Ianniello:]

Laura, this is Joe. We saw that from auto as well as retail. Those are probably the 2 strongest categories, which are our top 4 categories for us.

[Leslie Moonves:]

Yes. The fact that auto is back is huge -- it's hugely significant for our local businesses. So we applaud what's happening in Detroit and throughout the world in the auto segment.

[Joseph R. Ianniello:]

And they're obviously very -- there are much healthier companies now, even the small businesses, I think, are all kind of recapitalized. And again, it's just a good underlying point just to make for the strength of the local economies.

[Operator:]

We'll go next to Doug Mitchelson with Deutsche Bank.

[Douglas D. Mitchelson:]

And I'll also going to ask a question, a completely unrelated follow-up. Les, when you think about the upfront strategy -- you're upfront strategy, and think about how the December quarter ended up with disappointing scatter volumes for everyone in the marketplace, does that influence you at all to bump up your upfront sellout this go-around?

[Leslie Moonves:]

No, not really. Not really. Overall scatter is still good. And once again, I know people think I sound cocky about our schedule, but we do feel very good about it going there. And if we don't get our right pricing, we are not going to sell. Our intent going in is to sell close to 80%, but only at the right pricing, otherwise, I'm more than happy to hold out. And the fact that the market wasn't as strong as we would've liked as it has been in the fourth quarter, bears -- it doesn't make us change that, whatsoever.

[Douglas D. Mitchelson:]

And a question for Joe on the balance sheet. Since you've been letting debt leverage drift lower last year and this year a bit. Looking down the road, can you outline how your philosophy in the balance sheet might evolve given the profits for the company are increasingly being sourced from non-advertising, less cyclical revenue streams? So in other words, that would adjust the company over time could bear -- safely bear higher leverage rather than lower leverage. So any thoughts on how your balance sheet philosophy might evolve that could be helpful.

[Joseph R. Ianniello:]

Sure, Doug. Look, we're very happy with our balance sheet. Obviously, we've changed the complexion of it tremendously over the last couple of years. Our priority right now is focusing of returning capital to shareholders. And clearly, as we gain more visibility into our cash flows, and as you said, there are more -- much more and more of them are committed to everyday, gives us a lot of confidence in looking at our return of capital policy. I think just last year, we doubled our dividend as well as doubled our share buyback program. So again, we're looking at that all the time. We're committed. And it’s our major priority to look to increase that over time.

[Douglas D. Mitchelson:]

How should investors think about that? Should they think about that as something you review annually and so 2013 would be the next time we'd see a major change? Or this is an annualized...

[Joseph R. Ianniello:]

Daily. Daily, we talk about it.

[Operator:]

We'll go next to David Bank with RBC Capital Markets.

[David Bank:]

I will try and keep it to one here, guys. Les, you've done a great job sort of explaining how the monetization of the content, particularly on the existing platforms, digital and traditional, are driving earnings. The existing digital platforms are -- and I don't want to say they're maturing, but what I would say is everybody's starting to realize they're for real, they're recurring. And so the next leg of growth will probably come -- the next real big leg probably comes from the next bunch of entrants into the platform. And can you talk about the level of activity that you're seeing and you're discussing with the Xfinity Streams and the Fios Coinstars and the Intel virtual MVP -- what is the -- how real is that, and how much discussion is going on, and can you quantify the opportunity in some way?

[Leslie Moonves:]

Yes. No, it's a very good question. And once again, as Joe mentioned, we have the right to extend our opportunity with Netflix, and that we will continue for many years at our option. And we are in active conversations with many of the other participants from the Intels of the world to some of the existing companies like Comcast and their service. What's great about all this is we're literally talking to everyone who's out there. And when you have the library and the existing content that we do across all these platforms, mostly entertainment but also some news and sports content, there's opportunities galore out there. So when we first did Netflix, everybody said, "Oh, do you see anybody else out there?" And sure enough, Amazon came along and made a big deal. There are a lot of players out there circling the building. And we will be making some of those deals over the next number of months.

[Operator:]

We'll go next to David Miller with Caris & Company.

[David W. Miller:]

One question for you, Joe, you had mentioned depreciation expenses trending down in line with your CapEx levels. I believe you mentioned that 90-days ago and you said so again in your prepared remarks earlier in the session here. And obviously it gives you a lot more operating leverage on the P&L, but I think it's still been consensus estimates. I mean, do you see this kind of leveling off as we get into Q4 and into Q1 of next year? Or do you see the trend down kind of continuing the way it has been quarter-over-quarter as we get into the meat of 2013?

[Joseph R. Ianniello:]

Sure, David. Look, we definitely see the trends coming down. I mean, obviously, you can just look at the size of the numbers. Our D&A is -- on a run-rate basis, is $540 million, and our CapEx is somewhere between 250 and 300. Right? So you can see that, that's going to converge over time. It's just depreciation is a multi-year type of expense, noncash. But -- so if this benefit continues -- so it doesn't kind of end in Q1 or 2013. This is going to continue for several years until those 2 lines kind of converge. But again, it is causing operating leverage to EPS.

[Operator:]

We'll go next to John Janedis with UBS.

[John Janedis:]

Les, you obviously mentioned the opportunities of the lower, on the SVOD front. But to Dave's point earlier, there really hasn't been that much new in terms of new entrants. Are the buyers -- or maybe the potential buyers taking a wait-and-see approach based on what kind of subscriber growth we'd see in Netflix or Amazon? And is the bias towards exclusive deals going forward?

[Leslie Moonves:]

Number one there is obviously more information available from the Netflix and the Amazons about what shows are being watched. And once again, in that bundle, there's some very good news. There are certain of our shows that are watched by a ton of people, the Star Trek franchise for instance is that, and that becomes very concerted. Look, we have a nonexclusive deal with Netflix, a nonexclusive with Amazon. The newer deals will continue on that basis. And I don't know if they're taking a wait-and-see. I think they're figuring out different models. And as we said over and over again, once again, they need our content. They need our content no matter what it is. So they're looking at it in different ways and sometimes in the same way. So it's going to be an exciting period of time.

[John Janedis:]

And as a follow-up then, Les, should we assume that your bias is still towards the guaranteed deals rather than user space?

[Leslie Moonves:]

Yes, that's for sure. That's for sure.

[Operator:]

We'll go next to Michael Nathanson with Nomura.

[Michael Nathanson:]

I have one for Les and one for Joe. Les, you mentioned that there are 19 shows any day now have been renewed. Can we look at your schedule for the next year? How do you balance your desire to own more of your own content with your continual focus on driving ratings? So how do you blend that? And then comedy is an area we've outsourced to Warner Bros. to a great degree. At what point do you start taking more of that inside at CBS Productions?

[Leslie Moonves:]

For us, priority number one is to get ratings. That's the biggest bucket that we have, keeping our network #1, keeping it healthy. Ownership becomes a second priority. That's the second bucket, owning the syndication. Yes, we have more dramas that we own. Number one, we have twice as many dramas on our schedule right now as comedies. And frankly, the dramas now, with the international marketplace and more importantly, the domestic marketplace, now exploding with drama. And international continuing almost becomes a better -- and not almost, is a better value proposition for us than the comedies. In addition, very few of the comedies, if they score, they score big. All dramas pretty much score big internationally. So that's a better marketplace. That's not to say we wouldn't like to expand our presence in comedy. It's something that we will look to do over the next couple of years. But we are primarily a drama place and that's worked out just fine for us.

[Michael Nathanson:]

Okay. And then one for Joe, you mentioned that -- your digital deals for Showtime. What shows were they? I'd assume those were shows that we're canceled, right? So what shows came up to market this year?

[Joseph R. Ianniello:]

Those we're like the Sleeper Cells of the world, those type of shows there. What's the other one, Dexter is not...

[Leslie Moonves:]

The earlier seasons of Dexter were there as well. And...

[Joseph R. Ianniello:]

Tudors.

[Leslie Moonves:]

Right, The Tudors, exactly is off the air.

[Joseph R. Ianniello:]

That's what -- in the first quarter, Michael.

[Operator:]

We'll go next to William Bird with Lazard Capital Markets.

[William G. Bird:]

Where is the market currently clearing for retrans? And separately, if exercised, how much could your Netflix option increment revenues in 2013?

[Leslie Moonves:]

The Netflix deal should be a slight increase, I believe, in past deals. And also, the significant thing about that to be remembered is if we take off a hit show that we own, which there's a good chance of happening, that automatically goes into the new Netflix deal. So there'll be an automatic big bump in terms of that. And the retrans question, Joe, do you want to take that?

[Joseph R. Ianniello:]

Look, the retrans question, look, I think is what we've said the 250. We broke down the math on investor day at 250, that equated to $0.50 per sub by just math. I think, obviously, we're seeing significantly higher than that, so that's just going to continue. So every negotiation is a little bit different, but the good news is, I think, we were conservative.

[Operator:]

We'll go next to Anthony DiClemente with Barclays.

[Anthony J. DiClemente:]

I have one quick one for Joe and then one for Les. Joe, what exactly was the local -- what did local TV advertising do in the quarter? I know that the overall segment was up 2%. What was advertising?

[Joseph R. Ianniello:]

On the local side, you're saying? Local...

[Anthony J. DiClemente:]

Yes. CBS Television Stations' advertising revenue in the quarter.

[Leslie Moonves:]

In all TV stations.

[Joseph R. Ianniello:]

Of all TV is plus 2%, and local outpaced that probably mid-single digits.

[Anthony J. DiClemente:]

No, but doesn't that plus 2 include retrans?

[Joseph R. Ianniello:]

Yes, but in retrans, remember, it's very small, Anthony. Because, again, it's only 50%. It's only the delta. So that plus 2% still rounds to a plus 2% with or without.

[Anthony J. DiClemente:]

Okay. All right, so you can't give us what advertising did?

[Joseph R. Ianniello:]

It's a 2%, Anthony. So it's not something the numbers did different. Right?

[Leslie Moonves:]

Right.

[Anthony J. DiClemente:]

Okay. All right. One for Les. I think you guys have a big uptick in NFL rights season 2014. If I'm not mistaken, I think it's $300 million or $400 million. And Les, if I know you guys, I know you wouldn't have done that deal unless you knew you could cover the cost of it. So maybe you could just talk about your path to profitability on an incremental basis on that deal?

[Leslie Moonves:]

Number one, it's not -- the increase is not quite as high as you said -- it. And the numbers starts -- remember, it's a deal that lasts for a long time that starts a little bit above what we're paying now and expands as our advertising expands. As you said, it will be profitable from season one in the new deal. So it is a very good deal. It's a very fair deal. And as well as there is some extra rights that are involved in it, plus we will be getting better games because we have the NFC. We have 7 NFC games from the bigger market teams that will -- should increase our ratings. So it's a slow, gradual increase in the fees. And once again, advertising and retrans and all those things will more than make it very profitable deal.

[Operator:]

We'll go last to Marci Ryvicker with Wells Fargo.

[Marci Ryvicker:]

I have 2 somewhat unrelated questions. The first, Joe, can you just give us a little more color on pacings? For Outdoor, can you break out domestic versus international? And for Broadcast, radio versus television? And then my second question is on Hulu, Les, any thoughts about joining them if it becomes an authentication model?

[Joseph R. Ianniello:]

Okay, Marci, I'll start. The pacing again for Local Broadcasting, I think, TV is slightly ahead of Radio right now as we sit here. Like I said, it's a pace, so it changes kind of from week to week, but as a segment, clearly, as I said, is low-single digits. On Outdoor, again, I don't think it's a surprise that the Americas have clearly -- outpacing Europe. So that's how it's getting to -- again, also that low-single digits. And again, we always give our pacing on a constant dollar basis. So that's really the color.

[Leslie Moonves:]

And regarding Hulu, we'll take a look at it on under the authentication model. Right now, we're very pleased with our digital strategy without Hulu. We're doing extremely well being nonexclusive with the Netflix and the Amazon and more importantly our CBS.com sites, which we keep 100%, hundred cents on the dollar. When it comes out, and we will, of course, have a conversation with them. On the CW side, we're doing business with Hulu Plus right now. So we're -- we do talk to them. But right now, we're very happy with our strategy.

[Marci Ryvicker:]

Joe, can I just clarify the Americas outdoor. Would say it's accelerated or decelerated or the same?

[Joseph R. Ianniello:]

For Q1?

[Marci Ryvicker:]

Yes.

[Joseph R. Ianniello:]

I'd say steady. Remember, the Americas was up 4%. So I'd say steady.

[Adam Townsend:]

And this concludes today's call. Thank you, everyone, for joining us, and have a great evening.

[Operator:]

This does conclude today's conference. Thank you for your participation.