WEX Inc.
Q2 2021 Earnings Call Transcript

Published: 29 Jul 2021

[Operator:]

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the WEX Second Quarter 2021 Earnings Conference Call. Please be advised that today’s conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Steve Elder, Vice President of Investor Relations. Thank you. Please go ahead, sir.

[Steve Elder:]

Adjusted net income, or ANI, during our call. Adjustments for this year’s second quarter to arrive at these metrics include unrealized gains on financial instruments, net foreign currency remeasurement losses, change in fair value of contingent consideration, acquisition-related intangible amortization, other acquisition and divestiture-related items, stock-based compensation, other costs, debt restructuring and debt issuance cost amortization, ANI adjustments attributable to noncontrolling interests and certain tax-related items.

[Melissa Smith:]

Thanks, Steve, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today. I hope all of you and your families are healthy and doing well. I’m pleased to report that Q2 was a very strong quarter as a result of our laser focus on execution against our strategic pillars and continuous innovation across our technology platform. We’re successfully building off with strong momentum from earlier this year, supported by our financial and operating results this quarter, which continued to reflect very positive trends across the business and strong demand for our platform and services. Our overall value proposition in the marketplace is to leverage our deep industry knowledge, while continuously developing upon a strong set of capabilities. This allows us to give our customers a broad range of bespoke services that meet requirements of easy integration into their systems and the ability to scale quickly and securely. Because of this, we’re able to deliver significant benefits to our customers, resulting in market share gains and strong customer retention rates. The pandemic sparked an increased wave of digital engagement, and WEX’ products and services are uniquely positioned to not only benefit from but also enable the transition to an increasingly digital economy. We’re excited about the acceleration in digital payment adoption. We see this as a significant opportunity for WEX. And as a result, we’ve increased our focus and investments into accelerating digital transformation across the company. Turning to our results this quarter. We delivered robust year-over-year growth with revenue increasing 32% and adjusted net income up an impressive 91% per diluted share. Total purchase volume processed across the organization in the second quarter grew 104% year-over-year to $21 billion.

[Roberto Simon:]

Thank you, and good morning, everyone. As Melissa talked about earlier, operating and financial results in the second quarter were very impressive, building off a strong first quarter. Overall results are above the second quarter of 2019. And as I look forward to the second half of the year, we continue to position the company for long-term sustainable growth, as we execute against the customer pipeline, M&A integration and drive innovation across the technology platform. Starting with the quarter results on Slide #11. For the second quarter, total revenue exceeded the high end of expectations, primarily due to better-than-expected volume recovery in the Fleet and Travel and Corporate Solutions segment, higher fuel prices and COBRA revenue stemming from recent law changes. Total revenue came in at $459.5 million, a 32% increase versus Q2 2020, up 12% sequentially and up 4% compared to Q2 2019.

[Steve Elder:]

All right. Before we jump into questions, this is Steve, and I just want to apologize for the technical issues we had at the beginning of the call, and I know that we got a little bit cut off. And just to note that some of the information that we discussed in the call was non-GAAP metrics as you’ll be accustomed to. So Julie, you can go ahead with the Q&A now.

[Operator:]

Your first question comes from Sanjay Sakhrani with KBW.

[Sanjay Sakhrani:]

Obviously, you guys are seeing some constructive trends as we move through the second quarter. Maybe you could just talk about these new forecasts that you provided? And how much continued improvement you’re expecting as we move through the second half of this year? So when we think about some of the macro factors like SME recovery, the travel volume growth, could you just talk about contextually how much improvement you’re seeing assuming relative to 2Q?

[Roberto Simon:]

Sanjay, this is Roberto. Let me give you some color on how we have come with the guidance. And I know that Melissa probably will also add some color as well. So the first thing I would say, we have been sharing all along the weekly trends. And as you can see, the weekly trends have been improving. Especially from the month of May, we saw a big jump on travel, and the trend has continued to improve. So from there, what we have done is taken into account the seasonality for the third and the fourth quarter. As you know, normally in the third quarter, we have more travel and also the fleet volume improved from Q2. So we have also taken that into consideration. And then when you get to Q4, what we have modeled also is the seasonality that we have always seen in the last 4, 5 years, where the travel volumes turned down a bit, the same with the fleet numbers. Now that can be different this year. This is what we have modeled. We will keep watching every week to know the trends. And if something changes, so it’s a bit different, obviously, we will discuss that. And then the other 2 things that we have added on our projections for Q3 and Q4 are an increase on both credit losses and late fees. So more or less, they wash from an earnings point of view, but you should see as we go along into Q3 and Q4 some increases on both. And finally, on the revenue side, with the closing of the transaction of Benefit Express, we have added between $20 million and $25 million in revenue in a full year. So if you take the almost $3 million that we did in the second quarter, so you are talking just over $20 million in revenues.

[Melissa Smith:]

Yes. And the other thing, this is Melissa, that I will add to that is we’ve seen obviously some nice sequential improvement between Q1 and Q2. And as we’re looking through the latter half of the year, we’re looking at the trends that we’re showing you in these graphs, and that’s how we’re coming up with our estimates.

[Roberto Simon:]

Sanjay, don’t forget that we are already ahead of ‘19 from a revenue point of view overall. So that’s why we have considered now that that’s the appropriate way to go now that, seems that the patterns are going to become a bit more normal.

[Sanjay Sakhrani:]

Understood. And just a follow-up question on the travel yield. That obviously sequentially declined a decent amount. Can you explain like how much of it is mix versus other stuff that drove that decline?

[Roberto Simon:]

Yes. So we talked about last quarter about the changes on the overall rate in the Travel and Corporate segment. In this particular quarter, there’s no surprises. I mean, sequentially, it’s down 16 basis points, but you also need to consider that if you look at the mix between the volume from travel and the mix of the volume from corporate payments, it has increased materially. So overall, we went from $6.1 billion of spend in Q1 this year to $8.7 billion this year, but the increase on the travel side has been more than $2.3 billion. So the mix is the one that has impacted the most the yield. If you think about what we are projecting based on our guidance for the remainder of the year, Sanjay, it’s going to be very close to what we have reported in this quarter, unless the mix changes dramatically.

[Operator:]

Your next question comes from Bob Napoli with William Blair.

[Bob Napoli:]

Melissa, Roberto, and Steve, nice to see the rebound in the business. A question on the corporate payments business, which has shown, obviously, some pretty strong growth. Can you give some color around the -- what is working in corporate payments? And just maybe, Melissa, some longer-term thoughts on what you think the growth of that portion of your business can be over the next 3 to 5 years?

[Melissa Smith:]

Sure. This part of the business, obviously, we’re excited about the growth trends that we’re seeing. We would say by being the pioneer in virtual cards and virtual payments, we already had a base and foundation to build upon. We have about $300 million worth of run rate revenue associated with this business that has been primarily digital from the beginning. And so as we’ve continue to add customers and new partners into that mix, we benefited from the rebound in the quarter from prior year spend patterns, but also the additional partners coming on and they’re adding new customers within their base. And we’ve seen really the benefit of all of those things coming together. So we really believe that the offerings that we have in the marketplace are compelling. We’re adding marquee names into this part of the business because of the underlying technology and our capabilities. And so we look at this as a new growth avenue for us here at WEX. So I wouldn’t call out if anything that was specifically different in Q2. It’s just a continuation of some really positive trends that we’ve seen for the last probably 6 quarters.

[Bob Napoli:]

And the longer-term growth outlook for that business?

[Melissa Smith:]

Yes. I mean it’s a huge market, and we see a tremendous amount of opportunity for us. And we have continued to reinvest in this part of the business. We’ve shifted through the pandemic, a lot of our internal development towards this area because we see the capability that we have, we see the momentum we have in the marketplace. And so we feel bullish about the long-term trajectory and growth opportunity we have in this market.

[Bob Napoli:]

Then lastly, the American Express, the expansion or the renewal of that, I mean, it sounds like an expansion of the -- to include AP automation because I think that was primarily virtual cards. Is that right? Or how is the Amex relationship going? If you can give any color -- what’s ?

[Melissa Smith:]

Yes. Amex has been a great partner of ours. We know we’ve continued to build upon the relationships that we have with them. We’re providing issuing technology to them. And through that, we’ve grown revenue as they’ve grown their spend volume. And so primarily, the growth that you’ve seen from us and what we’re projecting forward is that they are continuing to build their book of business and as their provider of issuing technology, we will grow as well.

[Bob Napoli:]

Is that an expansion, of AP automation, that you mentioned?

[Melissa Smith:]

No. It’s a continuation of what we’ve been doing for them.

[Operator:]

Your next question comes from George Mihalos with Cowen.

[George Mihalos:]

Congrats on the quarter. Wanted -- to kick things off, just a question on competition and yield. And I’m just curious if you guys can talk about the competitive landscape as it relates to just sort of the Corporate and Travel segment. Certainly, there are new entrants that are competing in the virtual card market. Just curious if there’s anything different there? And also, is there an opportunity to improve that yield in travel at some point going forward? Just curious how you guys are thinking about it.

[Melissa Smith:]

Yes. So one of the things I would actually add to that conversation. When we think about the business, it’s also what happens ultimately from a profitability standpoint. Yield -- us a lot of what we’ve been working on for the last several years has been to make sure that we create a cost structure that is highly competitive. So it’s not just the technology, but the underlying costs. Both of those things are important to us. And I would say, particularly so in this part of the market. And so you can see the really significant drop-through that happens between Q1 and Q2 as we saw increased revenue, that drop in through the earnings. And that’s really as a result of the scalability that we’ve created in that model. We, a few years ago, brought in-house the processing capability, which is something that we are now selling in the marketplace. We believe that what we have -- and as a product, capability is better than what we were using prior. And it is much more cost effective for us in the marketplace. And so I think you have to look at both sides of that, not only are already bringing on for new spend and volume but also how much of that is actually dropping through would be my first point. And the second point relating to the competition, I would have argued that this has always been a competitive part of the marketplace. I think that over time, there’s been increased expectation of -- as the networks are providing incentives and making sure that those incentives are pushed out into the marketplace and so that has increased, I think, some of the pressure around making sure that those rebates are being distributed. But from a day-to-day perspective and the way that we compete in this marketplace, I would argue that it’s been competitive all along. And the reason why that we win is because of the strength of the underlying technology we have, the product capabilities we have, the way that we were able to configure it, it creates specific use cases and functionality and specific industries. All of those things together have given us a really strong competitive position. And we just have a deep knowledge in payments that backs up the underlying technology and products. And as a result, we can do keep bringing on new customers and making sure that we’re growing with them.

[George Mihalos:]

That’s helpful, Melissa. I appreciate that color. And then, Roberto, one quick one as it relates to EPS sort of sequentially from 2Q to 3Q. Obviously, you’ve got revenue coming up sequentially and sort of adjusted income rather flattish. Just want to make sure I understand what might be happening from an expense standpoint, 2Q to 3Q. It sounds like increased provisioning, but is there anything else to kind of keep in mind?

[Roberto Simon:]

So what I would say to you is during, as you know, starting after the pandemic, we took some cost out that we announced last year. And then as we saw at the -- on Q4 2020, we saw that things were starting to rebound. So we reinstituted some costs and some investments, especially in health and in technology. And during the first half of the year, as we went through budgeting process and adding some incremental investments, we have been cautious, obviously. And we are feeling that -- as we said today, I mean, we feel now that we are in a post-pandemic environment. This is BAU, and we want to continue investing and growing, as Melissa just said. So there are a few puts and takes. What I can tell you is that during -- as we go from Q2 to Q3 to Q4, I talk about -- especially on the fleet, we believe, and we are now on our guidance projecting that both late fees will improve as we go along the months, the same with the credit losses. You need to consider also the Benefit Express acquisition within the Health segment of the U.S. business. And as you know, that business sequentially is very strong in the first half of the year in revenue and on earnings. And then on the second half of the year, there’s obviously some investments and getting ready for the enrollment season. And finally, between the cost that I was taking before -- talking before, restating that and some incremental investments that we continue to do, as Melissa said, on technology, on the cloud and other areas, that’s where you see a bit of that yield. But it’s nothing different from where we would be on a normal course, and it’s all linked with our long-term strategy now of 10% to 15% growth in revenue and 15% to 20% growth on ANI EPS.

[Operator:]

Your next question comes from Dan Dolev with Mizuho.

[Dan Dolev:]

Nice results. So 2 questions on the take rate. So it looks like travel is picking up. Can you maybe just reaffirm that should we expect that the yield in Travel and Corporate to keep coming down as the year progresses? Is that sort of the assumption we have to make given the improvement in Travel? And then I have a follow-up, please.

[Roberto Simon:]

So this is Roberto. What I said is, sequentially, we had 16 basis points decline. And I would say most of it were related to the mix between the volume on travel and the volume on corporate payments. In Q1, as I said, it was almost around 40% travel and 60% corporate payments. In Q2, it’s -- the majority of the volume is travel. As you go through Q3 and as we said on our guidance, we expect travel to continue to rebound. So we expect to be slightly higher, probably 60%, around 60% travel and 40% corporate payments. So you should see a small erosion. But then as we go through Q4, it should flip the other way around. As the travel volume goes slightly down from a mix point of view and probably will be around 50-50, the rates will improve. But if we look at what we are in Q2 and you compare our guidance, I mean, we are talking 5 basis points or so difference up or down depending on the mix, but nothing major.

[Dan Dolev:]

Got it. And then my quick follow-up is on the Fleet. It looks like at 16.2 vehicles, you’ve had a very nice improvement in your Fleet. Like how much of it is share gains versus macro versus mix shift? Can you shed some more light on what is going on there? Because obviously, the number is really strong.

[Melissa Smith:]

It’s an interesting question. Trying to do year-over-year comparisons gets pretty challenging in the years like this. So we know is that we’re continuing to win new business and implement those wins. And we can see the results of that flowing through from a revenue and earnings perspective. We know the same-store sales have come back. If you look at total volume compared to Q2 of 2019, we’re down 2% to 3%. And so we’ve largely rebounded from the pre-pandemic arena. And I’d say a lot of that has been -- it’s been a combination of the rebound in volume from existing customers. And you look across categories like construction, which looks like it’s really fully rebounded and then other parts of the North American Fleet business, like some of our larger fleets, which still looks like it’s lagging. But in aggregate, you can see that we’ve really largely come back to where we were before the pandemic, and then we’re benefiting from the increased sales that we’ve had across the portfolio and really the strength we’ve had in the over-the-road business. And so while they’re still lagging a little bit in the North American Fleet same-store sales, we’ve gotten the benefit of all of those things that you just talked about. Some of it is new sales, some of it is rebound in existing volume. And the rebound isn’t equal depending on the customer categories.

[Operator:]

Your next question comes from Trevor Williams with Jefferies.

[Trevor Williams:]

I wanted to ask on the margins in Fleet, which looks like just relative to 2Q, historically. You’re running at basically the highest level you ever have. I’m just curious if we’re thinking kind of pre versus post COVID, any structural changes? I mean is this a new normal level of margin that we can expect now going forward? Or is it maybe the credit performance is still maybe skewing margins a bit higher than what might be sustainable over maybe whether that’s the back half of the year than even further out in ‘22 and ‘23?

[Roberto Simon:]

So I will start saying that obviously, the quarter was very strong, and Fleet was a big component and a big driver of that. So we haven’t seen over 50% margins on the Fleet in years. So I have the numbers with me, even if I look to ‘18 or ‘17. There are a couple of things that I mentioned before when we were talking about guidance. But just think with the lower late fees and the lower credit losses, obviously, your margin is going to improve. That’s one thing that we need to take into consideration. The second thing is, as I was talking before, during the pandemic, we took some cost out, so we have been benefiting from that. And some of those costs as we continue to reinvest and we continue to grow volumes, as Melissa said, obviously, we’re going to be reinstituting that cost. But other than that, the business is doing really well, high margins. And if I think about where we should land on a full year basis this year, it’s probably going to be slightly better than in the past because of the late fee and the credit losses because we have got over $50 million lower credit losses, but the late fee rate is also very low. But other than that, there’s nothing major change in the environment. And then, obviously, fuel prices. I mean, fuel prices have increased from last year to this year in Q2, more than $1 from $2, I think it was $2.07 or $2.09 to $3.02. So obviously, that’s also a significant yield improvement on margins. But if you put fuel prices aside, the 2 drivers is what I said to you.

[Trevor Williams:]

Okay. Perfect. And then just a quick follow-up on health. The COBRA accounts that you guys added this quarter, is there any expectation for how long those stay in the base? Or if there’s any potential that you convert those to be more permanent? Just thinking kind of how -- whether that’s embedded in the rest of the your guide and can stay through part of 2022. Just any help there would be great.

[Melissa Smith:]

Yes, sure. So the BART program ends September 30 this year. And so our expectation is that the large number of that $1 million that we had in the quarter would step down by the end of Q3. And so from a benefit perspective, the work that we did within the quarter, the big part of the number that Roberto was talking about was the work we did was informing employers of the change and our partners of the change. What that allowed us to then do is reactivate customers within the system, so that employees could opt to take advantage of the changes and so get the step-up as a result. And again, we think most of that will step down at the end of Q3.

[Operator:]

Next question comes from Darrin Peller with Wolfe Research.

[Darrin Peller:]

Listen, when we look at the guide again quickly for the second half, just to be clear, I mean, you’re assuming basically what’s equivalent to the run rate as of now, right, over the last couple of weeks. So you’re not really assuming incremental recovery relative to what we’re seeing right now. I just want to make sure that’s clear. And then secondly, when we consider the travel segment in particular, I think it’s around 80% international versus 20% domestic pro forma, right, for so what assumptions are you making, I guess, on just cross-border travel embedded in that?

[Melissa Smith:]

Let me -- I’m going to start with the second part, and I’m sure Roberto will jump in on the first part of your question. We’ve actually seen a little bit of an unusual mix so far in travel where we’re normally not as skewed towards North America. And I’ve said before that we do , they’re lot of the more complicated cross-border travel, but that is where we’ve seen a pickup in volumes, than our North American volume base. And so a little less strength in Europe than we would normally see more in North America and then less in Asia that we don’t really see. And so from a trend perspective, given what’s happening right now in the world, we would expect those trends to continue, that North America would be the place would be stronger than other parts of the world.

[Darrin Peller:]

But to be clear, I mean, a pickup in cross-border probably would be a pretty big swing for the travel segment, just given that mix I was talking about earlier.

[Roberto Simon:]

That would be the case, yes. But -- and also let me give you again the color on the travel guidance. So we reported around -- a bit less than $5 billion on spend on travel in this quarter. And as you can see from the weekly volume metrics, we have continued to improve during the month of July. And what we have done, obviously, the range is, on purpose, of our guidance is a bit wider than it used to be before. Because, obviously, especially on the travel side, we are expecting that what we have seen in July continues. And at the same time that the seasonality that happened during the summer time also stays course on the next 2 quarters. And from there, obviously, we expect that travel volume to slightly come down because of the seasonality that we always see now between the summer and then the before summer period. If that’s different, and we see this year an increase on -- from Q3 to Q4, obviously, as this is contemplated on the high end of the range. But I would say to you that I will stick with the seasonality that we have discussed. And the comments Melissa said, obviously, the cross-border is going to be more challenged for the next few months.

[Melissa Smith:]

Yes. And just one thing I’d add to that is in order to give out guidance, I just decided to be transparent around the assumptions that we’re making around this. There is still uncertainty on what’s going to happen within travel specifically over the next couple of quarters because of what’s happening with COVID. But that’s -- we’re giving you the assumptions, and we’re putting a range around it, depending on how that plays out. And to your point, if cross-border picks up, that would be an opportunity for us.

[Roberto Simon:]

Yes.

[Darrin Peller:]

Sure. Melissa, one quick follow-up, it’s just more structural. When we think about the position you have across your businesses, primarily in Corporate and Travel, there’s been -- I know this came up a little bit earlier, but there’s been a lot of discussion over incremental competition. But on the same thing, you’re obviously very well positioned in the early innings. So you’re digesting eNett and Optal. But are there other assets structurally that you think could make sense to be additive? I’m just thinking about when you think of the portfolio of assets you have, specifically in Corporate and Travel, anything else you feel like you want to do in the next couple of years?

[Melissa Smith:]

Well, clearly, we’re always active from an M&A perspective. We’ve got a pretty good history of being able to execute and deliver on what we purchase. And so I would say that is a place that we’ll continue to be active. That’s my first point. My second point is that prices have been pretty high. And when we’ve looked at assets, we don’t often get a lot right now in this marketplace for the purchase price. We’ve had more of a bias towards buildings in this space of late. So we’ve been increasing and ramping our internal investment dollars, but we will continue to evaluate and look at assets, like we would normally do and go through the rigorous process that we would go through and make sure it fits both what we want to do strategically, but also hits our financial criteria.

[Operator:]

Your last question comes from the line of Mihir Bhatia with Bank of America.

[Mihir Bhatia:]

Maybe just on the health care side, I just wanted to go back to the COBRA accounts that are there. Can you just talk a little bit about the timing of the roll off? And also do the COBRA accounts pay higher fees per account?

[Melissa Smith:]

So from a timing perspective, the way that this played out is that we started adding accounts. So we went through a process, obviously, of working with our partners on determining how to inform people about the American Rescue Plan Act. And we went through a process of working with them and employers to inform employees of the changes and that happened within the second quarter. Then the partner could elect to re-implement or reactivate their customers. So that they could choose to make an election themselves, and that all happened largely within the second quarter of this year. What will then happen over the next quarter is that people will choose to re-up and participate further or they will roll off. And so based on what we’re seeing so far is the expectation is since this is a backward view, the people that are electing, or people that had costs that covers. And so it’s going to be the minority as opposed to the majority that’s going to continue on. And so we expect that they will roll off within the second quarter. So we think we’ll get a little bit of benefit within the second -- within the third quarter, but not no way near as the same amount we saw in Q2.

[Mihir Bhatia:]

Right. And that was $7 million, right, in Q2, I think that was called out?

[Melissa Smith:]

Yes.

[Roberto Simon:]

Approximately, yes.

[Mihir Bhatia:]

Yes. Okay. And then just -- sorry to go back to the travel questions, but I just want to make sure I understand. What is actually embedded in terms of the travel volume recovery in your guidance? Maybe if you can give it relative to 2019 or something like geographically? But I guess I understand what you’re saying that volume trends have been improving in July, do you assume they keep improving from here? Do you assume the cross-border questions that were just asked? Like I’m just trying to understand that what is exactly embedded in terms of volumes in the travel.

[Roberto Simon:]

So yes, this is Roberto. So if you look at the weekly volume metrics up to 7/23, you see that in the month of July, we have come from around 50% down from ‘19 levels as you were asking. And we are, I would say, around 30% down. So if you think about that, we have built from -- obviously, we know what is coming in July. From there, we have built 2 things. One is the seasonality that I was talking about that has happened in ‘19. So the comps are similar to that. And at the same time, we have modeled that there is some continued improvement there. However, as Melissa has been talking about on the cross-border side, obviously, with everything we are seeing, we have not modeled incremental improvement or a material improvement from where we are today. But at the same time, that’s why there’s a range. So if things improve more than what we are seeing as of today and what we are seeing on the weekly volume metrics, that would be an improvement and a benefit. If things deteriorate a bit, they will go the other way around. But that’s why we have given a wider range because we feel good on where we are. We feel really good about the recovery, especially since the month of May. But it’s really hard not to predict what is going to happen in the next 6 months. Obviously, July was very good because we continue to see not only the improvement and the recovery from ‘19 but also the seasonality has been helping us. That’s why we have taken that approach.

[Mihir Bhatia:]

Got it. And my last question, and I’ll get off is just, is there a particular geography, whether it’s Australia or something like that, where if we saw a sea change, that would be very material?

[Melissa Smith:]

If you look across the volume right now, it’s about -- in the quarter, it was about a total of 1/3 in the U.S. with the majority of it looking here about 45% in Europe and then the rest in Asia and the Middle East. And so what I was calling out earlier is the U.S. in Q2 2019 was a quarter of spend. So this thing -- this shift that’s happening in that period of time.

[Roberto Simon:]

And that’s why it’s important to consider the cross-border and what Melissa said before about the different markets. So North America is performing much better than Europe, which is second. And then Asia is way behind where things were back in the past. So we have continued model improvements. But considering that if in Asia, we are say 75% or 80% down from ‘19 levels, we have not considered the improvement we have seen in North America or in Europe in the last few weeks because the news are not telling that.

[Melissa Smith:]

And to add to your point about one specific country, the products are used around the world. And so we know that’s why we’re grouping them in regions.

[Operator:]

And there are no more questions at this time.

[Steve Elder:]

Thanks, everyone, for joining us this quarter. And as always, we look forward to chatting again next quarter, and this will conclude the call.

[Operator:]

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today’s conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.