Zoom Video Communications, Inc.
Q4 2021 Earnings Call Transcript

Published: 1 Mar 2021

[Operator:]

Welcome, everyone, and thank you for joining today’s earnings call. Today is Zoom’s Fourth Quarter Fiscal Year 2021 Earnings Release. This call is being recorded. At this time, I would like to hand things over to Tom McCallum, Head of Investor Relations.

[Tom McCallum:]

Thank you, Matt. Let me jump right into the presentation here. This is my favorite cool Zoom Meeting feature, slides as a virtual background. Let me just center myself here, so I don’t cover up the wording.

[Eric Yuan:]

Thank you, Tom. First of all, I am not a cat. I’m live here. So thank you all and welcome, everyone, joining us on today’s Zoom Video webinar. Fiscal year 2021 was truly a pivotal year for Zoom characterized by achieving unprecedented success and overcoming tremendous challenges. My heartfelt appreciation goes out to our approximately 4,400 employees for their incredible energy, perseverance and dedication. Their focus on delivering happiness and building trust enabled us to become a household name and one of the most popular apps of the year. We are so grateful to our customers, partners, investors and the entire community for trusting us during these COVID times; and are humbled to see workers, students and families log to our platform and use it in increasingly in innovative ways to connect, contribute and collaborate. As the world emerges from the pandemic, our work has only begun.

[Kelly Steckelberg:]

Thank you, Eric, and hello, everybody. As Eric mentioned, FY 2021 was a pivotal year for us. While the pandemic stress tested our operations, it also accelerated our growth opportunities. According to Okta’s 2021 Business Network Report, which relies upon data from Okta’s customers, Zoom was by far the preferred enterprise video conferencing app ranked among the most popular workplace apps overall. And we’re the top app by number of customers and active unique users. In addition, analyst firm Frost & Sullivan recently recognized Zoom with its 2020 Company of the Year award, honoring Zoom’s dedication to providing customers with innovative solutions that drive growth and deliver new capabilities. Thank you to our amazing customers who made these accolades possible. Bolstering the growth of our product portfolio is Zoom Phone, which has grown incredibly and turned two last quarter. We believe the opportunity ahead is significant as the TAM for telephony is forecasted to grow to $23 billion by 2024. We have seen wins from legacy on-prem providers as well as other cloud PBX vendors. Here are a few milestones to mark the anniversary. Illustrating the ability of Zoom Phone to meet the needs for large-scale enterprise rollouts, Zoom Phone finished FY ‘21 with 18 customers, each with over 10,000 paid seats. We closed FY ‘21 with approximately 10,700 Zoom Phone customers with more than 10 employees, up 269% year-over-year. We continued to drive broad adoption across industries and customer sizes. We are 60% within the mass market and 40% from the up market. With our base of approximately 467,000 customers with more than 10 employees and our growing channel presence, Zoom Phone is in a strong position as customers look to modernize their phone systems to an integrated communications platform.

[Operator:]

Our first question is from Alex Kurtz with KeyBanc.

[Alex Kurtz:]

Yes. Thanks for the question, and I hope everyone at Zoom is doing well. So, could you frame how much Zoom Phone versus new customers versus the expansion opportunity is driving the fiscal 2022 growth outlook? And as part of that, what churn rates are you assuming as return to office ramps later in the year? Thank you.

[Kelly Steckelberg:]

So, Alex, we are really excited about the opportunity of Zoom Phone ahead. As you have heard, they performed very well this year. They were – the Zoom Phone was the fastest-growing product line quarter-over-quarter in Q4 and we expect to see strong growth as we look towards FY 2022. As you remember, our strategy is to sell into our existing install base. So based on the customers that we have today, we see tremendous opportunity for further up-sells with Zoom Phone. And then high level in terms of the churn rates, we have seen churn like – churn rates stabilize in the back half of FY 2021. And we do though – they are certainly elevated from pre-pandemic period and we have assumed that to continue as we move through FY 2022 and the uncertainty around when people will be able to start to safely move around the world again.

[Alex Kurtz:]

Yes, thank you.

[Tom McCallum:]

Next question please, Matt.

[Operator:]

Our next question is from Will Power with Baird.

[Will Power:]

Great. Thanks for taking the question. Yes, I wanted to touch on Zoom Phone as well, terrific to see the strong results. I wonder if you could help us understand where you are in the evolution of rolling out channel partners. It sounds like that was a key contributor to some of the bigger customer additions. How much more is there to go? How much more of an acceleration could we expect there? And I guess tied to that, as you look at these bigger wins, the 10,000 seat paid customers, what’s really helping differentiate you versus the other cloud providers out there?

[Eric Yuan:]

Yes. So, that’s a great question. First of all, if you look at why our customers, they choose Zoom or other cloud-based PBX solutions. First of all, you look at our existing customers, we already got their trust. They really enjoyed other very high-quality products, because of that, they would like to test the Zoom. After they have tested Zoom, they realize Zoom Phone. After they test that realize it’s feature-rich, very reliable, very easy to use, modern architecture, integrated very well with our meetings, Zoom Rooms and other product lines. So as I said, from current perspective, we have high confidence. From a distribution perspective, not only did they drive the other growth from our delivery team and you see like the U.S. account, right, driven by Master Agent. I think we are doubling on that channel partners, especially look at the history of the Zoom cloud-based PBX growth, primarily driven by the channel partners. I think our strategy to focus on building a greater partnership with channel partners such as Master Agent, are really paying off. I think we are working to double down on that.

[Will Power:]

Congratulations. Good luck.

[Eric Yuan:]

Thank you.

[Tom McCallum:]

Thank you, Will.

[Operator:]

Our next question is from Matt Hedberg with RBC.

[Matt Hedberg:]

Okay, thanks for taking my questions, guys, and congrats really on a stellar year. Momentum with the G2K customers over $100,000 in ARR was certainly impressive, but it still remains just vastly underpenetrated relative to your overall population. Can you talk about incremental steps you are looking at in fiscal 2022 to driving faster G2K or further G2K adoption? And then maybe just as a follow-up for Kelly, $4.2 billion in cash exiting the year, just thoughts on deploying that, just sort of – obviously, there is some CapEx expenditures, but just broader CapEx or cash expenditures?

[Eric Yuan:]

Yes. Maybe, Matt, I can address the first part of your question. You are absolutely right it’s only 14% of Global 2K customers. So, the reason why you look at our history, the way for us to grow our revenue, our user base is from the bottom up from 1 user, 2 user; one department to multiple department and we talk to the CIO, right? And we are doing something similar. That’s why there is huge opportunity ahead of us. Because last year, I think that if you have talked with the enterprise customers, if you do not have a very strong brand, normally they even do not want to talk with you, right? Because last year I think Zoom has become a household brand, I think we have more and more opportunities in the pipeline and people like to talk with us now, not only from bottom-up, but also from the top down as well. Having said that, I think the rest of the Global 2K customer is basically look at international and the growth opportunity. I think the future is bright as long as we keep focusing on execution.

[Kelly Steckelberg:]

In terms of what we are going to do with that $4.2 billion, so we, as you said, we are certainly investing in building out more data center infrastructure. And we are constantly looking for opportunities for other interesting companies, potentially M&A activity, that could add either to our talent or our technology. It’s just as I’m sure all of you know, Eric, has a very high bar for both. And so we just haven’t quite found the right match yet, but we keep looking. Colin leads our corporate dev team, and his team are just constantly looking and seeing what’s out there. It looks interesting. So we will see. We are certainly open to it. It’s just finding the right match for us.

[Matt Hedberg:]

Thanks. Well done, guys.

[Eric Yuan:]

By the way, Matt, if any of you have any great advice in how to do that, no, we will love all those advice. Thank you.

[Matt Hedberg:]

Thank you.

[Operator:]

Next question is from Sterling Auty with JPMorgan.

[Sterling Auty:]

Yes, thanks. Hi, guys. So were you successful in rolling out all of the countries that you wanted to for Zoom Phone during calendar 2020, what’s the plan for 2021? And can you eliminate the need for the bring your own carrier program that you launched with?

[Eric Yuan:]

Yes. So first of all, if you look at our international penetration, 42 countries you look at our Zoom Phone and the service. I think look at our Phone, the growth, 40% are from the upper market, 60% are from SMB market. If you talk about the upper market, I think more and more opportunities will come from international customers. The reason why we started, we lead the folks on North American market since last calendar year. As we started rolling out to more and more international customers, I think the international penetration, I think will be the catalyst for our future Zoom Phone growth.

[Sterling Auty:]

Got it. Thank you.

[Operator:]

Our next question is from Meta Marshall with Morgan Stanley.

[Meta Marshall:]

Great. Thanks. As you think about leveraging your platform, Digital Events is something you talked about at Zoomtopia with Zoom as another kind of natural adjacency, any traction here to call out on Zoom or just how do you think about kind of finding other use cases or platforms for video usage?

[Eric Yuan:]

Yes, Kelly, feel free to chime in. Actually in terms of Zoom, we launched announced that at last October at a Zoom annual user conference, but now it’s in the beta stage now, right. So – and based on our talk with those early adopters and also based on the progress, we think Zoom is not only designed for the knowledge workers, but more a consumer, right, to learn the class. And also another part of on Zoom is about the overall biggest customer, enterprise customer online virtual event. This year at Zoomtopia, we will hold that event complete event on Zoom platform, essentially Zoom had two parts, consumer-driven on Zoom to allow workers to make a living to sell a yoga class, teaching anything online on our Zoom platform. And also we are beginning to expand our revenue platform to be our end-to-end corporate virtual event platform. That market also has huge growth opportunity.

[Meta Marshall:]

Okay, thanks guys.

[Eric Yuan:]

Thank you.

[Operator:]

Our next question is from Philip Winslow with Wells Fargo.

[Philip Winslow:]

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. I also just wanted to dig in on Zoom Phone one of the things that jumped out at me was the 18 customers with more than 10,000 seats. I was wondering is there any sort of I guess cohorts, so to speak, what you are seeing here? Are these larger customers from a particular industry? Is their workforce more distributed than others? I mean anything that you comment on and sort of how – sort of what the type of customer profile is for Zoom Phone, especially with those bigger transactions and how you think about that going forward?

[Kelly Steckelberg:]

Hi. I think the great news, Phil, is that it’s actually spread across all industries. You saw those names that we talked about, right. We had a university. We had an entertainment organization and a technology company. And that’s been – I think the success of Zoom Phone from the very beginning is it’s really appealed well to small and large enterprises alike and across all industries. And the reason that we win right is based on, as Eric mentioned, the trust that they already have in as well as the usability and the total cost of ownership, which plays well across all industries.

[Eric Yuan:]

Yes.

[Philip Winslow:]

Got it. And then just to follow-up on that, theoretically as companies are ramping up to return to office, how do you think about the opportunity for Zoom Phone and also additional penetration for Zoom Rooms as sort of with people not being there, it’s easy to take away my phone at my desk, but nobody use any conference room, it’s maybe easier to upgrade it to Zoom Room. How do you think about sort of the first half there in particular as people prep for potentially return to office?

[Eric Yuan:]

Yes, Phil. Yes, first of all, we all want to go back to the office, right. We are stuck in our home for such a long time, so painful, but actually even if we all go back to the office, I think the product videoconferencing is well expected for the growth, but most importantly is customers who would like to consolidate it. Now, phone and video are the same thing, why do they need to have another system? Why don’t they deploy the hardware back to the phone? But essentially Zoom Phone already give you everything. I think in the past, also Zoom Phone is very well integrated with Zoom Meetings and Zoom Rooms, right. A lot of companies are talking about how to read into the office, especially focused on the conference room system. Recently our innovations, like a Virtual Reception, like Smart Gallery plus Zoom Phone, those two can really help us give customers unified collaboration and communication experience. That’s why we are very excited.

[Philip Winslow:]

Got it. Thanks very much. Appreciate it. Congrats and keep the good work.

[Eric Yuan:]

By the way, Phil, you have a best back on.

[Philip Winslow:]

Thank you, Eric. Good try. Always be branded.

[Operator:]

Next question is from Tyler Radke with Citi.

[Tyler Radke:]

The regular room behind me. Can you hear me okay?

[Eric Yuan:]

Yes.

[Tyler Radke:]

Alright. Thanks so much. Good to see everybody again. I am curious how you are thinking about investing and compensating in the direct sales force this year. Obviously, you are talking about increased channel leverage, particularly with Zoom Phone. And I imagine renewals are going to be a pretty important topic as well for you in FY ‘22. So maybe just help me understand how fast do you expect to grow your direct sales force and if you are changing kind of the way that you are compensating them in terms of the mix of new versus renewals? Thank you.

[Kelly Steckelberg:]

So, the two areas of significant events what we are really focused on for FY ‘22 are exactly as you highlight. It’s quota-carrying reps in our sales organization and it’s engineers. And in both areas when we looked at the FY ‘22 plan, we looked at in terms of what’s available in terms of capacity and the organization to absorb that as well as markets that are available. So you could just expect continued significant growth in the AEs in the sales organization. And then in terms of compensation, we didn’t have significant change to our comp plan, but you did pick on key on one of the key points, which is renewals and retention. And historically, we have not compensated for that. So we did add a bonus component to the plan for this year to help align the reps’ interest along with Zoom’s as well.

[Tyler Radke:]

Thanks so much.

[Operator:]

The next question is from Rishi Jaluria with D.A. Davidson.

[Rishi Jaluria:]

Hey, Eric, Kelly, Tom. Thanks for taking my questions. It’s great to see continued strong momentum and then heading into next year. I wanted to ask about maybe potential areas for expansion. You have obviously had some really great success with Zoom Phone and I appreciate that in the disclosures here. As you think about becoming a broader enterprise collaboration and communication platform, where are some other adjacencies that you think you can get into? I know you have hinted at these in the past. And philosophically, how do you think about the build versus buy, especially just given the amount of capital you have available on the balance sheet? Thanks.

[Eric Yuan:]

Yes, sure. Rishi, that’s a great question. So when we started we were later looking on one thing this video conferencing app, right? But however over the past several years looking at the date, I think because of popularity of the video conferencing, a lot of people that are using Zoom during the pandemic crisis is using Zoom for videoconferencing as a company. That’s the case, right? Look at Zoom video conferencing, look at Zoom Phone, look at Zoom Rooms, looking at built-in chat, and you look at also webinar, I think a huge opportunity. Almost each area item we see top down. Also look at the brand-new opportunities you look at on Zoom, I mentioned earlier, but another thing is about our ZoomX ecosystem. It’s actually, Rishi, you and I, we are going to talk over Zoom, not because we have a business communication in all discussion, but also more like we have that entire ecosystem. That’s the reason why and we talk about how to transform our business from a company to a platform company. With that in mind, I think lot of opportunity UC platform, remote work platform, and also the consumer prosumer platform. I think for sure, we cannot right. We have got to be very careful, right, what we should build by ourselves what kind of product new categories we should partner or maybe go through the acquisition. That’s why I like otherwise. But overall, I think to become a part of our company will open up a great opportunity for us. We are not only a videoconferencing company anymore.

[Rishi Jaluria:]

Great, thank you.

[Eric Yuan:]

Thank you.

[Operator:]

Next question is from Zane Chrane with Bernstein.

[Zane Chrane:]

Hi, congrats on another great quarter, team. I just want to dig in on the on Zoom offering. It seems like a really great way to improve the conversion rate of kind of prosumers and knowledge workers at the lower end of the market. Can you give us a sense of how much that’s improving the paid conversion rate for free users to paid, maybe among consumers or independent contractors, freelancers, things like that? Is it a 10% increase? Is it double? And then secondly, on the gross margins for Zoom Phone, I know it’s still subscale. But how should we think about the non-GAAP gross margin for that relative to videoconferencing commercing kind of in a steady state long-term? I know it’s a lot less compute-intensive, so I’m curious if that could potentially have higher margins. Thank you.

[Eric Yuan:]

Yes, then I can address the first part. Kelly will address the second part of your question. And I hope I have a good answer for your question. Unfortunately, I don’t because it’s too early to tell, and we’re still in the beta, right? We’re trying to make sure the product experience is really solid before we announce the GA. But now it’s beta right? You still can go on Zoom to register class to learn a cooking class, learn something that what kind of basic features are available. But again I think it’s not a fully ready yet. I think we are obviously very optimistic down the road. Not only do we have a new – the revenue stream, not only do we have our customer more, but also look at the 3 users of online subscribers, right? We have one more opportunity. Either learn something or hold on Zoom event, more like a Uber right? I have a car at a time I have become a Uber driver. That’s our strategy. But again, story is too early to tell. I do not have a very solid answer about that yet, yes.

[Zane Chrane:]

Got it. That’s helpful. And we are very optimistic. So thanks for the update.

[Eric Yuan:]

Thank you.

[Kelly Steckelberg:]

And Zane, sorry, did you ask about the gross margins for Zoom Phone or on Zoom?

[Zane Chrane:]

Zoom Phone, it was a separate question a little bit. I’m curious, since it’s less compute-intensive if that could maybe have higher margins, especially since you don’t have a free offering for that, like the video conferencing?

[Kelly Steckelberg:]

Yes. Pre-pandemic where – when we looked at this Zoom Phones, margins were actually slightly under the gross margin for Meetings due to the cost for the carriers on either end. So the goal though, is as we continue to grow, is to have leverage to be able to invest. And of course to see efficiencies across the overall platform that eventually those gross margins converge. And that’s what we’re expecting to see right now, given the gross margin being impacted on Meetings by the free usage, Zoom Phone gross margin is probably actually even higher than Meetings right now.

[Zane Chrane:]

Great. Very helpful. Thank you. Congrats, team.

[Eric Yuan:]

Thank you, Zane.

[Operator:]

The next question is from Brad Zelnick with Credit Suisse.

[Brad Zelnick:]

Great, thank you so much and so nice to see everybody. Eric, Kelly and Tom wonderful, great Q4, great year, we’re all grateful. Kelly, my question is for you just around the seasonality of the business. Last year was so unusual. How are you thinking about modeling this year from a new business perspective, thinking about seasonality? And I know you caveated your guidance relative to the uncertainty of COVID. But what’s the embedded assumption? Even though I totally appreciate that economies reopening doesn’t mean that people stop using Zoom.

[Kelly Steckelberg:]

Yes. I think first of all, you have to think about our business in terms of online and direct as they both have become very significant businesses. And there is a little bit of different behavior to the two of them. In the direct business, we expect to move back to a more normalized seasonality, if you will, as growing through the year, especially with enterprise buyers, to be a little more back-end loaded in each of the quarters as well as back-end loaded in terms of the year, especially as we’re continuing to add capacity in our sales organization and having those reps ramp throughout the year as well. From online perspective, that is the one that is I think a little more uncertain, dependent upon the timing of people potentially returning to work as well as this integration with on Zoom and what we have modeled is we believe to be conservative in terms of an acceleration in churn rates. We’re doing everything we can though, of course to retain those consumers and help them see the value in Zoom so that we don’t see that as we move through the year.

[Brad Zelnick:]

Great. Thank you so much for taking the question.

[Eric Yuan:]

Brad, thank you very much for wearing Zoom on top your head. I truly appreciate that.

[Brad Zelnick:]

Proudly, proudly. Thank you.

[Eric Yuan:]

Thank you.

[Operator:]

Next question is from Bhavan Suri with William Blair.

[Bhavan Suri:]

Hey, everyone. Thanks and let me echo my congrats, a really great job. I want to chat a little bit about one specific competitor. It’s our friends at Microsoft. And I’d love to understand in a little more depth how that’s playing out. Not today because obviously the results speak for themselves, but they are ostensibly giving a wafer free. And we know E5 is not free. Upgrading to E5 costs. But they have a lot of power in the mid-market and the enterprise. And I guess how do you feel about what they are doing? Is that a sense that at some point, maybe when you go back to work, it’s good enough? Like how are you and the sales team sort of working around this issue of teams ostensively giving wafer free? That’s kind of what I’m getting at, specific to them, given sort of their scale and their power and their platform and they bundle it, etcetera. Thank you.

[Eric Yuan:]

Yes. So I can start. Kelly, feel free to chime in. I think first of all, that is a real question. However, I’d like to take a step back. I think we share I think the journey of Microsoft themselves. Because I think today Microsoft is very different. Since Satya took over the CEO job several years ago, I think Microsoft I think they are open-minded, right? Satya’s a great CEO in the world, really on the market, but quite often when we talk of integration , they would like to work together with us. So willing to collaborate, right, that’s very important. Like 10 years ago, if sometimes I think concern. Today, that’s not the case on Microsoft’s perspective, right. I give the CEO, Microsoft CEO Satya, a great a deal of credit. That’s the one who you look at from an end user perspective, expect you look at today’s workforce. Almost over one-third are millennials. For one, they would like to use the best of breed service. If you give them something they do not like, they say, no, I’d like to pay it with my own credit card. So the best of breed service will win, for sure. And also if you look at it even from a CIO or IT perspective, they would like to bet on good vendors, right? If you’re stuck with one vendor for everything, guess what, what if there is outage? What if in the future, innovation speed slows down? That’s why I’m talking with the enterprise customers. They like to deploy the best of breed service. Like Zoom is video and voice is much better, right? That’s why the core exists the strategy very well. Last but not least, you look at the Okta report. Probably that’s the most important report for any IT professionals, right. You look at Okta report. Zoom is for number one videoconferencing app, right. And in terms of the position in terms of – based on a number of the customers, Zoom apps ranks number five. However, there is one metric that’s very interesting. If you look at Okta’s Microsoft Office 365, the deployment of the customers, those people use Zoom. Those use Zoom as well. That proves one thing. Customer, they would like to bet on good solutions because we can coexist very well. Again, this market size is much bigger than anyone can emerge in. That’s why I think that a coexisting strategy works well. And we look at everything from a customer perspective. That’s a long answer. I’m not sure it’s answered to your question, Bhav, but that’s based on our observation, yes.

[Bhavan Suri:]

Yes. That’s a great answer. I appreciate the color and the candor. Thank you all.

[Eric Yuan:]

Thank you.

[Operator:]

Next question is from Richard Valera with Needham.

[Richard Valera:]

Thank you. And let me add my congratulations to a really great year and fourth quarter. So question on the education vertical, which has gotten a lot of sort of attention, and your thoughts on the trajectory of that business for you, you could maybe argue that there is a headwind if maybe decreased usage as folks go back to in-person school. But you guys have – I think it’s 125,000 K-12 customers that are free now, but presumably at some point will be paying. And so I just wanted to check about how you’re thinking about that revenue trajectory and the potential to monetize them? And if the July 31 date on your website is sort of the date that you’re going to turn off free or is that sort of just a placeholder for now?

[Kelly Steckelberg:]

In terms of the future and the opportunity ahead for education, as you noted, we have 125,000 K-12 domains that are using the product and have really become believers in Zoom. And what we expect is that as we look forward to students being able to return to campuses in person, that there is even a hybrid approach in education. We always joke, right, that students are going to hate us because there is no such thing as a snow day any longer. And imagine the benefit that has – the parents have also received from being able to attend PTA meetings from home, to be able to do parent-teacher conferences. So there are many, many use cases that extend beyond just the students being in the classroom, that we foresee these domains wanting to continue to work with us on. And in terms of the date that’s on the website, I – as always, I believe that Zoom will do whatever the right thing is as we continue to assess how the pandemic could – progresses. The goal of that was really to minimize the disruption in learning, and we remain committed to that.

[Richard Valera:]

Great, thanks. Thanks very much, Kelly.

[Operator:]

Our next question is from Ryan MacWilliams with Stephens.

[Ryan MacWilliams:]

Thanks for taking the questions. Can you talk about enterprise Zoom Meeting purchasing that you saw in the quarter? Like did enterprise customers increasingly go wall to wall and consolidate pockets of Zoom usage and business silos? And then separately, with the improving Zoom Phone momentum that you’re seeing, do you see attach rates for contact center increase alongside that? Thank you.

[Kelly Steckelberg:]

In terms of – you saw the significant growth in the customers with greater than $100,000 of trailing 12 months revenue. And that, I think, is an indicator of all of those enterprise customers that we’ve seen purchase this year, continuing to roll out and expand. In terms of wall to wall, we continue to see customers that are adding in terms of number of seats as well as buying broader. So I think it’s a combination of both. And then in terms of contact center within Zoom Phone, Eric, do you want to?

[Eric Yuan:]

Yes. Sure, sure, yes. I think in terms of a contact center, and I think for now, I think our strategy to work together with other contact center solutions like Five9, Genesys, InContact, Talkdesk and others, I think working very well, because customer, they talk about how do you seamlessly integrated others. Take Five9 for example, and good partner, Rob and I, we share the same vision, how to further improve their product experience. I love that. I think to have a much better seamless integration, that’s the right approach and truly deliver happiness to our mutual customers.

[Operator:]

Our next question is from James Fish with Piper Sandler.

[James Fish:]

Hey, guys. Congrats on excellent year. Really appreciate what you have done. Well, it was an impressive enterprise addition this quarter. Just trying to understand how much of these additions came from moving commerce customers up from Phone or – Phone within that commercial Meeting installed base. For new customer wins versus other items differentiate? Thanks.

[Kelly Steckelberg:]

Yes. So, it’s really a combination of all of the above. So we continue to see customers that bought earlier this year deploying and rolling out and adding to their services. You heard some of the great wins that we talked about specifically on the call, as well as continued up-sells in terms of just expansion in terms of Meetings and continuing to make sure that their employees are being as efficient as possible. So it’s not something specifically that we break out. I can just tell you that it’s a combination of all of the above.

[James Fish:]

Got it. Understood. Thank you.

[Operator:]

The next question is from Matthew VanVliet with BTIG.

[Matthew VanVliet:]

Yes, hi. Thanks for taking my question. I guess I wanted to dig a little deeper not just on the contact center side. But as customer experience really becomes a greater focus for larger enterprises, just what the opportunity is to embed Zoom from a partnership perspective, either in other software platforms or just kind of in company websites, things of that nature, to help facilitate a more interactive approach with customers and sort of how you can better monetize that in the long run?

[Eric Yuan:]

Yes, Matt, that’s a great question. That’s overall our platform play. So today, in addition to having the APIs and SDKs to give the third-party companies and partners vertical apps like online education, telemedicine apps via our platform SDK, we also introduced the Zoom Apps. I think – I think that’s our future. Because the reason why some not only build for the business indications, but also offer our people-centric interface. You and I kind of use Zoom and also have a window, right. You are not putting games together. You approve my expense report of the integration with the service sales force and all kinds of applications, not only for business apps, but also for consumer assets. Well, today, if you look at our marketplace, we already have over 1,000 apps by published in marketplace. So, we are going to double down on our Zoom App ecosystem, essentially, that’s the future for our platform play and down the road, let’s say, you have a lot of new applications or existing integrations. You have more in many ways to monetize down the road. The goal is to offer a people-centric Zoom interface for other applications to be integrated into Zoom.

[Matthew VanVliet:]

Great. Thank you.

[Eric Yuan:]

Thank you, Matt.

[Operator:]

The next question is from Imtiaz Koujalgi with Guggenheim. It looks like he has audio only.

[Imtiaz Koujalgi:]

Hey, guys. Can you hear me?

[Eric Yuan:]

Yes.

[Kelly Steckelberg:]

Hi.

[Imtiaz Koujalgi:]

Hi, hi. Thanks for taking my question. I have a question for Eric or Kelly on Zoom Phone Attach versus Zoom Meetings. So let’s say a customer has both Zoom Meetings and Zoom Phone. I am assuming that any user who would have a Zoom Phone license versus Zoom Meetings, then only the host needs Zoom Meetings. Is there like a rule of thumb or what you are seeing in the customer base now in terms of what the vision of Zoom Meeting licenses to Zoom Phones is and what that potentially can be going forward?

[Kelly Steckelberg:]

Generally, what we see is that your point is that not everybody needs a Zoom Meetings license, because only the host needs them. What we see from most organizations is they actually buy Zoom Meeting licenses for all of their employees as they want them to be as efficient as possible and then they buy a corresponding number of Zoom Phone seats as well. So typically, when a company is doing – our customers are doing a full deployment, it’s a 1

[Imtiaz Koujalgi:]

Are there cases where customers end up buying more or less is it different by different vertical or customer size or is it typically – it is usually 1 to 1?

[Kelly Steckelberg:]

It depends on the stage of where our company is in terms of its rollout and its deployment as they often start with Meetings and then add Zoom Phone and they may take some time to roll it out depending on its market, geographic location. The case for example that I do remember where there were more Zoom Phone licenses bought than Zoom Meeting, it was the case of a retailer that had Zoom Meetings and Zoom Phone in their corporate headquarters, but for example, they wanted to deploy Zoom Phone into their retail locations in the malls. And so there wasn’t really a need for Zoom Meetings in the mall, but Zoom Phone was a really great fit for them. So, that’s really the only case that I remember specifically where there were more Zoom Phone licensees sold than Zoom Meeting licenses.

[Imtiaz Koujalgi:]

Got it. Very, very helpful color. Thank you very much, Kelly.

[Tom McCallum:]

Thank you, Imtiaz.

[Operator:]

The next question is from Siti Panigrahi with Mizuho.

[Siti Panigrahi:]

Hey, thanks for taking my question. Eric, I just wanted to ask on the product side, last year, I think more focus you had on security and are you looking at this year and your product team, what are you more excited about? Where you are more focused on?

[Eric Yuan:]

I think first of all, security and privacy is always very important. Last year, I think Zoom has become a much stronger company, because we embraced a lot of consumers, right to serve consumers in terms of private security is very different compared to what we did before, but we did learn a lot. We really attributed on the team size, lot of the consulting and the third-party companies. And I think today, look at some Zoom privacy and security policy and the practice is totally different now, right. We have high confidence, but however, we are not going to say, it’s done. No, this is ongoing effort. Privacy and security is a part of our company. Having said that, we also need to continue innovating, right. That’s why how to transform our business to become a platform company at the same time, any new service, new feature, that new process, make the private security always there, not only for business or government customers, but also what’s more important in that are consumers as well, right. That’s – I think that’s why the future is bright, because not only do we have new opportunities, but also the privacy and security story is much better than before.

[Siti Panigrahi:]

Okay, thank you.

[Tom McCallum:]

Thank you.

[Operator:]

We have time for one more question. And our last question will be from Tom Roderick with Stifel.

[Tom Roderick:]

Great. Well, hi, Eric. Hi, Kelly. Hi, Tom. Great to see you all. Congratulations on a fantastic finish to what was a crazy year, but a fantastic one for you all. As we are going on almost a year now of sitting in our home offices and our bosses are telling us in a variety of ways that we are probably not going back to the old normal whether it’s this year or next year or at all. I am curious for your thoughts on how you think about the way the world has changed and the way that you run Zoom, whether that’s more remote offices, R&D specialists in different parts of the world? Is the cost structure sort of permanently changed for your vision of the world, because it seems like for the rest of us, it is changing in that way. I would love to hear your thoughts on that?

[Eric Yuan:]

Yes. Kelly, please.

[Kelly Steckelberg:]

Sure. So, I think the amazing thing that’s happened during this pandemic it has opened us up to be able to hire talent wherever. We have really taken advantage of the opportunity, engineers, for example, which are highly competitive that we are now looking to hire the best talent from anywhere in the globe almost and really focused on especially in the U.S., diversifying outside of San Jose, which has been a great win for us. In terms of long-term growth – sorry, expense impact, we have not modeled in this year, at least for FY ‘22 expenses associated with return to work as we continue to evaluate when it feels safe to support our employees and moving back into the office and coming back together in person. And once we have more clarity around that, of course we will assess how that impacts our operating margins.

[Operator:]

That’s great. I will turn it back to you. Thank you.

[Kelly Steckelberg:]

Alright. Well, thank you so much for joining us today. We really appreciate it. Look forward to FY ‘22.

[Tom McCallum:]

Thank you everybody.

[Eric Yuan:]

Thank you all.

[Tom McCallum:]

Thank you, guys.